Thursday, August 24, 2006

Lieberman, Simmons, and Rell in Groton Today

Senator Lieberman (CfL-CT), Rep. Simmons (R-CT), and Gov. Rell (R-CT), who all share Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, will be campaigning in Groton today to commemorate the year anniversary of the Pentagon's reversal of its decision to close the sub base.


I can't make it there, but if anyone can, post descriptions in the comments and email pictures to post...

49 comments:

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Gabe:

Think your post is a tad misleading. It's a meeting with local officials and business people at Millstone to discuss lessons learned at how to keep the base off future closing lists, according to this AP story. Not a campaign stop, at least as I understand it.

I could be wrong, or maybe there's something else going on. But if that's all it is, defining it as "campaigning" seems like a stretch.

Gabe said...

Three people running for office in less than three months, two of whom are locked in extremely close elections, are making a public appearance that touts their work keeping the base off the closing list... To me, thats a campaign stop. Please feel free to disagree...

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Well, define it as you will, but according to the Norwich Bulletin, (see the "What's Next" sidebar) it's not even open to the public -- it's invitation only because of limited space! (Never mind the fact that it's being held on the grounds of a nuclear power plant.)

All's I'm sayin' is, it ain't no rally.

tparty said...

Mark Pazniokas:

Lieberman will appear with two prominent Republicans, Gov. M. Jodi Rell and U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2nd, to celebrate last year's reversal of a Pentagon decision to close the Groton submarine base.

bluecoat said...

It's a campaign stop otherwiseNancy Pelosi who is in the area would have stopped by two - and on a more serious note: if it's not a campaign stop then why isn't Chris Dodd in the meeting???

Gabe said...

I didn't say it was a rally. It also is not a ball, a meet and a greet, or a parade.

bluecoat said...

It's free press - it's part of their incumbency campaign privileges.

Matt Browner-Hamllin said...

The point is that it's an event meant to provide the attending politicians with an opportunity to polish their lapel and add it to their accomplishments resume. Lieberman, like Simmons & Rell, will (continue to) use the Groton base as a talking point for his campaign.

When Lieberman hypes an event that is also a talking point on Simmons' media sheet, he's effectively hyping Simmons. More explicitly, any time he stands next to someone running for office he's supporting their campaign. Period.

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Fine by me, as long as we'll be applying the same cynical definition of "campaigning" to every single public appearance made by DeStefano, DeLauro, Larson, Nappier, Bysiewicz, Blumenthal, Wyman, et. al. between now and Nov. 7.

You will be doing that, right, Gabe? Your feelings about this specific event don't have anything to do with the fact that Lieberman's there, right? Or Rell? Or Simmons?

Gabe said...

I'm not really sure what you are insinuating. Every public event by a candidate leading up to an election is a campaign event... When did I imply otherwise?

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

So, next week, when Blumenthal sues Acme Co. on behalf of Wile E. Coyote and all similarly situated Connecticut canids that is actually a campaign event?

Just want to be sure.

P.S.: Bluecoat -- According to the Bulletin, Dodd was invited. Dunno if he's coming.

Gabe said...

You just discovedred that politicians do things for their political interests? This must be a big day for you...

bluecoat said...

Of course Dodd was invited. Welcome to Politics 301, ADANR.

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Yeah, I'm all agog ... But how about answering the question, Gabe, since you're the blogmaster and setting the definitions.

If Dick has a news conference to announce the lawsuit, is that a campaign event? Are you going to post it as a campaign event?

Or is maybe your definition getting a little frayed around the edges?

Gabe said...

You lost me - did Blumenthal sue a cartoon character? Or are you just making stuff up?

I might remind you that his job is to sue people. No one's job is to tout their accomplishments. That is what they do to get elected.

bluecoat said...

Geeez, somebody needs to hit ADANR over the head; the point is Republicans are campaigning with Lieberman not that politicians campaign to keep their jobs!!!!!!

Gabe said...

And, if Blumenthal happens to do it on a stage with a politician whose opponent he has endorsed, twice, from the opposite party to the one he claims to be a loyal member of, yeah, you will be the first one to read it here.

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Still not answering the question, Gabe. And of course he didn't sue a cartoon character; I'm sorry my attempt at humor seems to have eluded you so badly that you couldn't recognize a hypothetical question.

Let's try it again: If Blumenthal sues someone - anyone - next week and has a news conference to announce it, does that count as a campaign event? You did say, after all, Every public event by a candidate leading up to an election is a campaign event... When did I imply otherwise?

Further, you note that his job is to sue people. No one's job is to tout their accomplishments. That is what they do to get elected.

The stated purpose of the meeting in Waterford -- which is not in Groton or New London, and not open to the public -- is to review the lessons learned from the BRAC experience and discuss ways to keep the base off future BRAC lists, not to spend the day patting themselves on the back. Again, you can take whatever view you like of the meeting, but that's not going to get you off the hook for answering my original question: Does the hypothetical Blumenthal news conference count as a campaign event?

Road R. Unner said...

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!)SAID, " So, next week, when Blumenthal sues Acme Co. on behalf of Wile E. Coyote" I mean honestly, have you people SEEN the products Acme puts out? inferior at best.

Anonymous said...

Blumenthal had a pres conference???

Anonymous said...

Blumie hasn't sued any cartoon characters yet, but it's probably only because he hadn't thought of it. Now that the good ole Brits have decided to hack up classic cartoons to eliminate smoking, I'm sure he'll be able to bring some sort of action, combining 'protecting our children' and going after Big, Bad Tobacco once again!

Gabe said...

I understood, I was commenting on the absurdity of a hypothetical. See above, every politician does what they do for political reasons. Call it what ever your little heart desires...

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Actually, Blumenthal will have to join a lawsuit already pending: see this case in federal court in Arizona. It is absolutely worth the read.

Look, Gabe, I don't want to protract this. My point is, it wasn't a campaign event. You disagree. Fine. Let's say both of us have made our viewpoints clear and move on.

bluecoat said...

It's a campaign event - period!!!

disgruntled_republican said...

Gabe said,

"every politician does what they do for political reasons".

Correct me if I'm wrong but Isn't Joe in the fight of his political life because he did was he thought was right and not for political reasons? I mean if it was politcal he would have flip flopped like that fish outta water Kerry if it was for "political reasons".

Grumpy said...

ADANR & Gabe -

Are you guys married to each other? Your pointless bickering with one of another sure does give that impression. (My apologies to happily married non-bickering couples everywhere.)

Of course it's a campaign event. And of course, attending is a perfectly legitimate part of their official duties. Incumbents get this kind of free media event for their campaigns all the time. Nothing sinister about that at all.

And yes, when the Attorney General sues ACME, his campaign will get free exposure out of it as well. It'll also be another reason to vote for him since it's about time those jerks were held accountable for all the inferior, unsafe products they put on the market. Rocket powered rollerskates? Earthquake pills? Seriously, those guys need to be shut down before they kill someone. I'm glad Dick's on the case.

Back to reality. It's not just free media exposure their campaigns gain from this event. An invitation-only meeting at the secure location of a Nuke plant is a golden opportunity for Rell, Simmons and Lieberman to discuss GOTV coordination without fear of prying eyes. (Or bloggers.)

TrueBlueCT said...

The point is that this is more eveidence that Lieberman has joined the other team. (in fact he left us Dems a long time ago.)

Joe marched arm-in-arm with Johnson at the Waterbury Memorial Day parade, and of course he's going to join Simmons in claiming they saved the sub base for the umpteenth time...

And of course Lieberman shares his polling firm with Rell and Simmons. Along with his love for war.

So go figure. I just wonder what Pat Rice has to say about the damage Lieberman is causing to Courtney with today's photo op. Oh, but that's right. Joe Courtney is probably part of the liberal left wing lamo-s for lamont cabal.

Anonymous said...

Blue Coat wrote: "It's a campaign stop otherwise Nancy Pelosi who is in the area would have stopped by two - and on a more serious note: if it's not a campaign stop then why isn't Chris Dodd in the meeting???"

You guys want to go back and forth about being a campaign event and duties of office, well Dodd was invited and he should of been there. But let's think this one over very quickly, I don't think you will find one public event, place, anywhere except Capitol Hill where Dodd and Lieberman will be found together. And even at that I bet Dodd still avoids being anywhere near him.

The truth is you can kiss any shot the Dodd would have at a Presidential bid in '08 (if he has any right now) and also you could kiss his seat goodbye in his next re-election if there is even one picture of him, Joe Liebermen together especially with possibly having Jodi Rell and Rob Simmons in it as well. Which we all have learned from the primary results, it's not about what you do, it's about who you're with.

I'm being serious, expect a primary for Dodd's seat if he was to be in picture with any of them. We'll see him again after this election and when his Presidential bid falls short and he decides he beter pay attention to us again if he wants to keep this seat.

Anonymous said...

Grumpy said "Back to reality. It's not just free media exposure their campaigns gain from this event. An invitation-only meeting at the secure location of a Nuke plant is a golden opportunity for Rell, Simmons and Lieberman to discuss GOTV coordination without fear of prying eyes. (Or bloggers.)"

GOTV?? I wonder where you might work.

This is just another example of people willing to put aside where they come from, which party they represent to make sure they are doing all they can for who they serve. Keeping the base open is a very important part of serving the people of Connecticut, especially those who rely on jobs specific to having our base remina open. That's why we have these 3 are where they are now and also why where they will remain where they are.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have the address for getting in on the class-action suit the State's filing against ACME?

Anonymous said...

To all of those who claim this is just a campaign stop and further evidence of Lieberman's joining the Republican party, let me ask you this:

Gov. Rell has been holding numerous bill signing ceremonies around the state and at every one there are Democratic legislators - are they all traitors too?

Anonymous said...

Anon1:55--

Thanks for the shot of high-minded rhetoric in the midst of an election year. I'm glad that while most of us see this as rank electioneering, you see it as something noble and worthy.

The fact is we just couldn't count on Democrats like Courtney and Lamont to keep the Sub Base, now could we? And ohmigod, if DeStefano were Governor, kiss the economy good-bye.

You've bought into a load of bunk. And effectively, by propagating stupid stereotypical notions, you're as knee-deep in the political mud as the rest of us. (only comically, you don't seem to know it.)

Republicans aren't the Party of high-minded purpose, and Democrats are as tough, if not tougher, on economic issues and National Security.

disgruntled_republican said...

Anon 217 -

Why is everything in this world politcal to most Democrats such as yourself? Can't any elected official do something becuase it is the right thing to do?

justavoter said...

Just like I said Lieberman is a Republican and if he loves Democrats so much how come he is not hellping Democrats win in Connecticut.

Lieberman knowns exactly what he is doing and he his telling us that he's a Republican its that simple.

Bush and Cheney must be very pleased a good photo op before he becomes Republican officially in 2007.

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Anon1:55:

The contact is:

L. Murr Fudd
Assistant Attorney General
55 Elm Street
Hartford, Connecticut
06106

Make sure your lawyer copies:

Time Warner Inc.
One Time Warner Center
New York, NY 10019-8016

Grumpy said...

Of course Senator Lieberman has effectively "joined the Republican team." He wants to win, so he'd be foolish not to coordinate with them.

Joe's plan to win must include strong turnout among R's and I's. But he needs those votes to go to him, not Schlesinger. Therefore, coordinating with the R's is vital to his strategy. For their part, with Rell able to take a vaction from now until election day and still win by 20 points, Joe's coat tails are a lot more valuable than hers to Simmons, Johnson and Shays.

Anon 1:55 - Absolutely. All involved earned the credit for their work to protect the base. I think my earlier post indicated that I believe today's event is a perfectly legitimate part of their official duties. That it also doubles as a great campaign event is an undeniable benefit of incumbency. Again, there's nothing sinister about that fact.

Sadly, I can't tell you who I work for because my boss would fry my nuts for posting on this blog. (And for doing so when I have more productive things to do with my time...) I will say I don't work for any of the candidates, or their opponents, mentioned in this thread. Believe that statement, or not, as you will.

Grumpy said...

DR -

I wonder, are you familiar with the phrase "argumentum ad hominem"?

disgruntled_republican said...

Grumpy -

Indeed I have however I don't think that is the case with many here. I think they really do beleive most of the drivel they spew.

Anonymous said...

ANON 2:39-
I'll take you at your word for your statements and to be honest my boss would probably do more then fry my nuts too.

As for the coordinating with the R's, while it would serve to his benefit and I agree that his candidacy will most likely have a positive effect to the R's attempting to hold their House seat. However, I'm not sure how much I buy actual coordination between Joe and Nancy, Chris and Rob. Joe really seems like he wants to remain in the D cacus should he win, anything that might jeopordize that for him or his leadership positions I do not see him going for.

Anonymous said...

ANON 217:

I'm not trying to give any kind of rhetoric here, I'm just trying to contribute other ideas then your own, which I thought that was the point of posting comments on here, but I could be wrong.

I guess what I said could be taken out of context, there is no doubt that there is a value to each current office holders current campaigns (I'd be ignorant to dispute that). However, to take this meeting today and say it's purely a campaign stunt I strongly disagree. I'd like to think our leaders actually have an interest in keeping our sub base here from future BRAC proceedings, which is going to happen again.

JackAttack said...

Dear Alan Gold,

Thank you for making me look like a genius!

-Jack Orchuli

bluecoat said...

1:46: and where exactly did I put in a plug for the Dodd for President08 campaign. Quite frankly, I would hope the GOP takes his seat when he's up for re-election - 2010 I beleive - but they'll probably take a pass like usual or put up another dudd.

Anonymous said...

The Democratic party is about to implode. Wait until Lieberman is the endorsed Republican.

Mr. Kotter said...

I just ran a poll with one of my students, Vincent Barbarino, in place of Alan Schlesinger on the Republican ticket. He pulled 8% in a 3 way. When informed that Arnold Horshack had endorsed Mr. Barbarino, that number moved to 9%.

Barbarino for Senate.

FrankS said...

Lieberman's strategy is no different than when he won the race against Weicker, appealing to Republicans. Given Weicker's close support and guidance to Lamont, the national Republicans may see Lamont as Weicker's man and the long memory of the Bushs may have some infulence.

bluecoat said...

If all of these peole realy cared about what is important to Americans they would have put a stop to this atrocity:Aug 24, 4:47 PM EDT Dinky Pluto Loses Its Status As Planet
By WILLIAM J. KOLE Associated Press Writer
maybe Blumenthal can take up the cause - it's gonna cost money for new science books in all the scholls for one. and for the anon is is worried about gstting cought blogging at work and getting fried nuts i wouldn't worry; if it happens Blumenthatl will take up the cause - he's already said how he liked Joe's package - and he'll put the screws to your boss and not only get you new nuts but a couple of washers too for your dishes and laundry - in other words he'll get you a nice new package from your boss.

Bobby McGee said...

Where in gods name are Harry Reid's cojones? Somebody needs to stop Lieberman before its too late...

Anonymous said...

Too late for what? Before it's too late to beat him? Yeah, that should be a compelling argument to get him to drop out.

Anonymous said...

Orchulli !!!!!!!!!!!!