Monday, August 14, 2006

Amann Sticks with Lieberman

Jim Amann is backing Joe Lieberman. Why?
Connecticut House Speaker James Amman of Milford is sticking by Lieberman. He says Lieberman has called him three times since last Tuesday's primary asking him for support. Amman says he has not heard anything from Ned Lamont, the Greenwich businessman who won the primary. (AP)
He just wanted to feel appreciated. Is that too much to ask?

Source
"House speaker stands by Lieberman." Associated Press 14 August, 2006.

73 comments:

BRubenstein said...

I hope that Amann is challenged for his Speaker seat if he sticks with Joementum...as a party leader he should have set a better example of party loyalty and discipline...

The True Gentleman said...

BR, did you ever stop to think that maybe Amann is setting a better example by staying with who he believes is the better choice to serve Connecticut?

Anonymous said...

When you have one of the largest Democratic Primary turnouts in modern CT history with the largest change in U to D registration as well as new voters, no Jim Amann is not setting a good example as party leader. It is a slap in the face to the Party. "I support the Democratic Party so long as it nominates people I like/agree with" - Amann

The Architect said...

"He just wanted to feel appreciated."

Please... if someone showed determination and effort in pursuing your support versus someone who was probably taking it for granted, who would you support?

For some reason, if the situation were reversed, and Lieberman had won the primary and this story ran, I don't think it would have made this blog.

cgg said...

Amann has said all along that he'd probably support Lieberman. I'm not at all surprised that he went through with it.

BRubenstein said...

TG...he has a duty of "loyalty" to the party...and if he can't be loyal then he should resign and support Joementum if he wishes.

disgruntled_republican said...

BR-

He never took an oath that says that. Nancy DiNardo did.

While understand what you are saying, his "duty" is to serve the residents of his district and set the agenda as the Speaker of the House. Make no mistake that his job as speaker is in no way related to who he endorses.

And before you say anything about party, remember the people elected him, not his party.

I give him credit for sticking with his guns...most would just stay quiet. And if you can tell me with a straight face that Dodd is voting Lamont, I'll tell ya you are full of it. (I know it is radom, just popped into my head).

Genghis Conn said...

MLN seems pretty pissed off about it. Frankly, I don't think Amann's endorsement would have moved votes either way...

I like Lamont, but sometimes party loyalty can go a bit far.

Anonymous said...

What doesn't MLN get pissed off about.

Anonymous said...

Dodd and Larson should take some charcter lessons from the speaker. Instead, they will back Jesse and Al's boy.

The True Gentleman said...

BR, I understand your point and agree to an extent, but think DR's comment speaks for me as well.

bluecoat said...

Ammann was looking for a nice sounding excuse not to back Ned and when Joe called him three times he found it:Amann on verge of backing Lieberman By Keith Phaneuf, Journal Inquirer 8/11/2006

Derby Conservative said...

Jim Amann’s been heard around the Capital saying that he can’t believe how many liberals there are in Hartford these days…he meant it in a bad way Bruce. He recognizes that it casts his party in an indigo blue light (as someone on MLN put it). He and most other Democrats in Connecticut recognize the simple fact that on a state-wide basis, these so called “progressives” don’t stand up well to the electorate.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that it's always the moderate Democrats who are splintering the CT Democratic party?

The moderates will denounce the liberals up and down. They'll say the party's "left them". But they're the ones who constantly cut their own deals and leave the liberals out in the cold.

Remember when Irv Stolberg was dumped as Speaker? It was a moderate cabal that did it.

Remember their hatred of Bruce Morrison, hatred so vitriolic that he was lucky to get the 20% necessary for Democrats to keep their automatic ballot spot?

BRubenstein said...

DG..he was also elected by his fellow reps to be Speaker...and with that is the de facto role of party leader...if he cannot follow his party then he should resign as Speaker..and then follow his conscience.

bluecoat said...

Puh-leez...Amman can spend and tax right up there with the best of them. He can denounce liberals all he wants but I'd rather he'd denounce the outrageous growth of CT government that he is so fond of pushing through - with Jodi's approval BTW.

disgruntled_republican said...

BR-

Fair enough. I am not sure if he should resign though. They can feel free to vote him out but resigning is a little much. I thought you meant he should resign as a Rep which is a ridiculous idea.

Derby Conservative said...

Bruce, when are we going to the range? Pistols or Rifles?

BRubenstein said...

DG and TG..you know i respect you both immensely...however..you are both good Republican's with no interest to see that my party is solidly united for the elections in november and therefore i am not surprised that you back Amann..

Frank Krasicki said...

I agree. If this fellow wants to support Lieberman he should give up the speakership and join Lieberman's party.

Derby Conservative said...

DR- none of this matters because all of the Dems will come runnign back for some Joementum come November.

bluecoat said...

since only Fairfield County liberals read the Sunday NYT CT Section I am linking this OpEd from yesterday: A Critical Race for Governor

The True Gentleman said...

But he shouldn't resign over his staff's corrupt campaign fundraising practices, right?

disgruntled_republican said...

Bruce-

You will note that in the previous post I had no problem with the President of the United States making a similar comment (through Snow) in my party. Just saying....

Anonymous said...

Can we all at least agree that the Republican Party is now the "Big-Tent" Party?

bluecoat said...

TG and DG should be saying that Ammann need not resign the speaker position because the CT GOP will take the state house in November anyway running on Jodi's coat tails; don't you think?

BRubenstein said...

TG..AMann should have taken that hit as well..corruption is corruption..no matter which party it comes from.

The True Gentleman said...

Thanks, BR. You are right, it is in my party's interest to say that Amman is doing the right thing here. And you're probably right, if it was the reverse and I had the same strong feelings that you appear to have I'd probably be calling for him to resign as well.

disgruntled_republican said...

bluecoat -

I am a republican but also a realist. :-P

Anonymous said...

Amann is trying to save what is left of the Democratic party. He is a moderate and is quickly learning that he is out of place in the new Sharpton-Jackson party.

We need more Democrats to come forward like speaker Amann and stop the bleeding.

The True Gentleman said...

DR, I just typed the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Ned has ceded the "slime and evil" vote of Waterbury, and has now lost Mr Speakahhhhh. No doubt the forces of Jackson and Sharpton can turn the tide on this sinking ship.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that Schlesinger gets a percent of the vote so low that the R party needs to petition to petition to get on the ballot the next time a US Senate seat comes up? What's the %? 1%?

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

Bruce, everyone, calm down.

Amann was elected Speaker by the caucus. LET THE CAUCUS ask him to resign for backing Lieberman.

A lot of guys are saying that Amann has the guts to do publicly what he -and they- feel privately.

Let's face it- this is a choice between two Democrats. One is the nominee, one is not. Either way, a Democrat wins.

The more you guys play politics with this; the more Stalinist the purge, the more extreme you guys look. Leave him alone- if you strong arm him, it will look good for Lamont.

As someone who is now firmly Joe, I hope you do go after Amann, though. So get to it! Circular firing squads are just tremendously entertaining to watch.

BRubenstein said...

Fatguy...the caucus will take care of him..after some lobbying by us..

Please refrain from the intimation that we are commies by the use of the word "stalinist" We love America too..just we see things differently..

Mr X said...

Jim Amann deserves a lot of credit he sticks to his principles instead of the subscribing to lets force everyone on the "Red Ned" Bandwagon with some of the pinheads on that wagon who are way too left wing for me.

I am supporting Joe Lieberman too I dont care what DFA,Howard snd Jim Dean, Keith and Peter Crane,Tom Swan or any of the Lamont faithful have to say.All these people are about as popular as Al Sharpton, Jesse jackson and Lowell Weicker what a braintrust we have with the above mentioned names oh lets not forget George Soros.

Old Bug eyes Left Said Ned will not have my vote and I believe Joe Lieberman wins in November.

ctblogger said...

I just placed Amann on notice.

You might recognize some other names on that list...

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

Funny item in the CT Pest:

Lamont spent about $4 million of his own money in the primary. He said he doubted he would have to provide a similar-sized cash infusion for the general election, but he vowed to remain competitive in fundraising.

"We're not going to be badly outspent," he said.


Stop it, Ned. My sides are splitting. You won't be "badly outspent", is my guess. Unless Hadassah wins the lottery.

Anonymous said...

This is shocking to me. No, not that Speaker Amann has the courage of his convictions, but that so many Democrats would villify him for doing so. Oh, wait, that is what you did to Joe. FGMS is right: this is a battle between 2 Democrats.

I would love to have BR or other critics of Amann answer this question: if you were an elected official and you were faced with a choice between voting the way your party wanted you to vote, on the one hand, or the way either your conscience or your constituents (all of them not just the Democrats) wanted you to vote, on the other hand, which way would you vote?

The Speaker was elected to represent the people of Milford - all of the people, not just the Democrats by the way the Milford Democrats voted for Lieberman)-and his only obligation is to represent them to the best of his ability. He is doing that.

I hear Senator Finch may also stick with Joe. Good for him.

By the way, how can you respect an elected official who on Tuesday says, "Joe Lieberman is the best candidate, Ned Lamont does not even rate with Joe" but then on Wednesday says, "Ned is the best guy for the job"?

I can't respect that.

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

So... is Ned's event in Naugatuck (on the green) tomorrow a little close to that certain intersection that Swan was talking about?

Ned's gotta do better in the Nauga Valley. Remember how the Valley vote hurt Weicker in '88?

Speaking of the Nauga Valley, I hear that they will be serving Pinot from the Nauga Valley Vineyards at the event.

TrueBlueCT said...

Genghis--

Can you do something about the anonymous "Jackson-Sharpton" guy? Honestly, once or twice is okay, but this is going to be an endless fall.

Many of us read those kinds of statements as racist. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

yes, yes, we can all admit the R party is now the "big tent" party. So what's going on in Rhode Island, again?

O, right.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

BRubenstein said... ...
if he can't be loyal then he should resign and support Joementum if he wishes.


I'm an old Bozzuto guy.

My party screwed Dick royally but to this day I'd go through a wall for him. (Hell, I'd commit a capital crime for him if he asked me nicely.)

Loyalty is not a big thing.
It's the only thing.

That Amann has the fortitude to loyally stick with his ally speaks well for him regardless of the eventual outcome.

Clearly Jim's handshake can be taken seriously. That's increasingly rare these days.

Anonymous said...

I can see everybody going nuts if DiNardo, a particular Town Chair or State Central member endorsed Liberman, but Amann is not an official of the Democratic Party. Time is far better spent making the case for Lamont than engaging in purges.

justavoter said...

Amann has just kissed his position goodbye.

He should be supporting Ned Lamont in his position.

This is a disgrace to the Democratic Party and its voters in Connecticut.

Amann should resign from the Democratic Party now

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

TrueBlueCT said...
Many of us read those kinds of statements as racist.


You do?

I just naturally assumed it was one of those masonic conspiracy nuts out to attack a couple of my fraternity bros.


I truely hope I'm right and you're wrong; otherwise we may need to find a young version of John Brown and hand him an axe. (the only fitting end to a racist)

Anonymous said...

The only disgrace to the Democratic party is the way every one of those elected officials--Dodd, DeStefano, Sullivan, Blumenthal, etc. all abdicated their pledged loyalty and friendship to Joe, cultivated over 20-30 years in most cases, for a one-shot-wonder who rode one issue and a ton of unwashed hippies to victory in a closed primary. That is shameful.

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

OK, Brube,

I won't use Stalinist because people might think I'm calling a faction of the Dems "commies." I'm not a fan of name-calling- and it wasn't my intent to do so.

My point has nothing to do with ideology, just tactics. If you aren't pure and following the party line, you are banished to the Connecticut Democratic party version of Siberia. Party Loyalists will put pressure on dissenters to reform or face severe consequences.

Analytically, I think you are playing right into Joe's message about extreme partisanship. This strong-arming plays poorly. Strong-arm at your own risk. You don't have enough Dems in your corner? You need EVERYONE, Brube?

Kick out Ken Salazar and Mark Pryor, too.

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

Bruce,

I recommend re-reading the Federalist Papers and then shredding them. Or at least redacting the portions warning about the dangers of factional extremism.

That may be too heavy for the pols in the state, but you're well-read enough that you probably have a dog-eared copy handy.

Mr X said...

The Lieberman Campaign has put all the Lamont Followers on Double Secret Probation since the beginning of The Campaign. One More Slipup and this campaign has had it in Connecticut(LOL)(LMAO)

The Architect said...

Mary Glassman said the other day, according to Al Terzi, that the Democrat party is the big tent party. Looks like she's the one who's out of touch, maybe she should step down from running for Lt. Gov?

Jackson-Sharpton guy said...

True Blue: Can you point to anything at all that suggest racism? If just the mere mention of the name Jackson-Sharpton gives you racist thoughts you should ask yourself why do you have such thoughts?

If Ned can be proud enough to have Reverend Al and Revered Jesse at his side during his victory speech than you should be just as proud as he is. If I were you, I wouldn’t try to play the race card although that is a favorite move of the new Democratic Party’s leadership (Jesse and AL).

Anonymous said...

C'mon, let's get True Blue to break out in a sweat... Jackson - Sharpton; Sharpton - Jackson....

Scary stuff, aint it.

MikeCT said...

There's also this:

Amann later said he would not be working with the Lieberman campaign because he would be too busy working on the General Assembly races in the state.

So his endorsement will have roughly zero effect. Annoying, but irrelevant.

justavoter said...

I will take it even further as a Democratic Connecticut voter.

All of you who support loser Lierman who is a Republican and who will have Republican support if he stays in this till November are also a disgrace to the Democratic Party and I will say this why don't you all join the Republican Party who support Lier you will be at home with your Conservative Right Wing garbage.

The purity of the Democratic Party to finally allow the people to have a voice which they did August 8th by choosing Ned over Lier says something.

We want a true Progressive in Washington that will do what Lier did not.Not a yes Bush Robot.

I think dissent within the Democratic Party is good to have Amann is not a dissenter but a trader and he to should join the Republican Party they will love him as much as Lier.

You Conservatives got the dissent wrong Amann ,Lier and the like only care about themselves and not the people that put them into power.

The real dissent which Lier did not expect was went the real people the registered voters Democrats took him out by over 10,000 votes.

He lost and now the RNC will come to his rescue.

True Democrats will vote for change .Bush Republicans who are registered Democrats should join the Republican Party once and for all.We don't need you.

I expect Lier to become Republican somethime in 2007.

BRubenstein said...

fatguy...ive a well read copy of the federalist papers right in my law office..and ive read them...at least 3 times....

it is amusing to see the Republicans here go to the defense of Amann...why didnt they do that with Weicker?

Anonymous said...

We all know that Jesse and Al both came to Connecticut only after Joe launched a smear campaign in CT's cities in which paid hacks tried to portray Lamont as a racist.

That you all want to make hay about the civil rights' leaders appearances says a lot about CT's Joe-loving Republicans.

Sharptin and Jackson might be problemmatic, but together they represent many people that would otherwise be left out of the political equation.

But why be magnanimous when instead you can be small?

Chris MC said...

Quoth Brucie boy:
Please refrain from the intimation that we are commies by the use of the word "stalinist" We love America too..just we see things differently..

But Bruce, you brag about being a pinko. What gives?

Wolcottboy said...

Anon 5:37 said:
This is shocking to me. No, not that Speaker Amann has the courage of his convictions, but that so many Democrats would villify him for doing so. Oh, wait, that is what you did to Joe.

BR - you and your comrads have been so quick to hang ANY democrat that disagrees with you. Case in point- you were the first on this topic! Couldn't wait, could ya?


Even as a Republican, Amann is the only leader I have any respect for in state government. He holds his party together, states his peace, and still leads his party somehow. He's a good man with common sense representing the average voter on social issues. His endorsement is one more example of his sticking with his word and principles.

Anonymous said...

This endorsement does nothing to help Amann politically, but rather buys him a world of trouble. While I'm not happy about, I do believe it was motivated by his sense of loyalty to Lieberman and nothing else.

BRubenstein said...

Chris Mc...i am a leftist..not a Stalinist...

BTW are you still working in the Lieberman campaign?

BRubenstein said...

Wolcottboy...i stand by my comment...Amann broke party discipline..the same discipline he demands as Speaker upon fellow reps..and he should resign or be challenged.

Chris MC said...

LOL Brucie boy. Nice spin.

I'm curious to know how your SDS appearance went. Did you go through with it?

disgruntled_republican said...

Bruce-

You said, "it is amusing to see the Republicans here go to the defense of Amann...why didnt they do that with Weicker?"

I assume you a referring to Weicker backing Lamont?

The Architect said...

Maybe because Weicker isn't a Republican?

LogicalThought said...

Is this really too complex for the conservatives to understand?

Jim Amann is the Speaker of the House of the Democratic primary. As such, he has a major role in the state Democratic party, and he is supposed to be a leader. He is supposed to speak for his party.

It'd be one thing if he was just doing this out of conviction. But:

A. He is doing it against the vote of the state Democrats.

Don't give me the BS about low voter turnout. If it was only 8%, that makes Joe look WORSE because he couldn't win an election with "just" 8%. I'd much rather have the 52% of that Lamont got than the 48% "look how much we gained!" Lieberman side.

B. He only seems to be supporting Joe because Joe has supported his political life.

Not because of his beliefs. Not enough to actually work for his campaign. But because he called him 3 times, and hey, he helped me out, I'll help him out.



So, again, how is Jim Amann using the courage of his convictions when he IGNORES the vote of his own party to repay a guy who helped get him elected?

Anonymous said...

I spoke to a number of Democratic State Reps and although they said the support Lamont they also said they support Amann's right to support his friend Joe.

If Democratic State Reps don't have a problem with Amann why should the liberals who like to rant and rave on this board?

bluecoat said...

Yeah, like the Democratic sate reps are going to piss off their leader before they know the outcome of the election!!!!!111

justavoter said...

Becaus we elected these people to represent us thats why.

LogicalThought said...

Jim Amann is the Speaker of the House of the Democratic primary.


Whoops, make that party, not primary.

BRubenstein said...

Chris..i went to the SDS convention in Chicago..from 8/4 to 8/6...there are now 5,000 students..and more will be coming starting this september when school gets back....and there is a strong " older folks" organization as part of it...

BRubenstein said...

Architect..maybe Lieberman isnt a Democrat..

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

BRubenstein said...
i am a leftist..not a Stalinist...


Hmmm, how e. e. cummings of you.

Seriously though Bruce, (bruce?) where exactly is the line between Stalinist & Leftist?

It must be around here someplace but it's such a fine line I can't seem to locate it.