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Friday, August 11, 2006

Orchulli About to Enter Race?

Could be.
Orchulli told us late yesterday that he's already been approached by state Republicans about replacing the hapless Alan Schlesinger as the G.O.P. nominee in the Connecticut Senate Race -- and that he'd "make himself available" to do it.

"Should the party decide that they want me, and should Mr. Schlesinger decide that he wants to step aside, I would make myself available to them," said Mr.Orchulli. "If I was in it, it would undercut the perception that Mr. Lieberman has the Republicans, and it would change the dynamic of this whole race."

Orchulli would be a much more viable candidate than Schlesinger, although just how much better remains to be seen. His entry into the race could spell doom for Joe Lieberman, though.

Hat tip to Ken Krayeske.


Blogger disgruntled_republican said...


This isn't brain surgery. He is isn't an electable candidate either. All hge does is assure Lamont a victory. If you can't come up with an electable candidate (McKinney, O'Connor) does as all a favor....DON"T BOTHER!

Thank you and enjoy your weekend!

8/11/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

disgruntled - thank you for being one of the few reasonable people left. Anyone who knows Orchulli is aware that he desparately wants to run for the Senate, and he regrets not jumping in earlier. My sources tell me that he has been the one initiating the calls to the party chairman, not the other way around. Jack is a nice guy, but he can't win, and that's the bottom line.

8/11/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jack, jack, jack...don't even try it,

and take the call from Washington.

8/11/2006 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ORCHULLI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8/11/2006 02:05:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

DG..some highly placed R's want to encourage Orchulli..on the theory that Lamont will win..and then they will put up a better candidate to win in 2112...

8/11/2006 02:07:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...


And correct me if you think I am mistaken here...but why in the hell would anyone want to take on a new Incumbant Senator One on One over putting up a viable candidate in a 3 way race where the Incumbent Senator is the 3rd party? I go back to my brain surgery comment...

McKinney, O'Connor or someone similar or why bother...simple as that.

8/11/2006 02:11:00 PM  
Blogger Weicker Liker said...

If they put up Jack Orchulli it will guarentee a Lieberman victory.

Orchulli is an empty suit. Will be portrayed as another millionaire who wants to buy a senate seat.

He still is owed $1.2 Million by his Candidate Committee from his run against Chris Dodd in 2004.

Two millionaires vs. Lieberman....
No way

8/11/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous I should be working.... said...

Thanks DG... I concur.

Jack - please resist the urge.

And CT-GOP - You encouraged Alan to step up. The Convention backed him. And you then you publicly hung him out to dry.

Regardless of what the Dems think of Lamont in the quiet of their homes, they're standing with him on stage with smiles on their faces.

If Alan had a chance in hell to win to start with, its shot-- but the manner in which he was betrayed has sufficiently creamed the chances of any Republican to make up the ground.

Perhaps we should hope Bush puts Lieberman on the Supreme Court , or names him VP to replace Cheney and Rell either names herself to the post, or we find an virtous elephant that walks on water and passes our holier than thou litmus tests.

8/11/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

makes no sense--2012 Joe will be old, he may retire. Better to raise profile before 2012. Orchulli would hand this thing Lamont.

Jack--forget about it.

8/11/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...

Weicker Liker-

Schlesinger - 15-20% of the vote and a chance of a Lieberman win.

Orchulli - 25-30% of the vote and a certain Lamont win.

Kinda simple actually.

8/11/2006 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...

Anon 2:23 -

I rejected your posting. I encourage you too repost the first half as it was very good however the second part was quite tasteless and I won;t put it up.

8/11/2006 02:29:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Disgruntled...Some highly placed Republicans think Lamont will be a weak and ineffective one term Senator....the war will be long gone..and he would be vulnerable to a real candidate, like for instance O'Connor in 2112..Im just telling you the thinking ive picked up from some highly placed folks in your party...its by no means unanimous...there are alot of folks that want to leave AS in too...As it is, i think AS will stay in right now..this is his one chance to be important...unless more scandal stuff emerges..

8/11/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...


Fair enough. I think they are wrong to draw that conclusion. Especially when the other Senator wants to run for President...who do you think will be the go to Senator in state...good ole Ned would be meaning he gains more support. Kevin O'Connor could win the race this time around and I think he would have a shot at Dodd but that is then and this is now...

And with no bench to speak of with the CTGOP...well, you get my drift.

8/11/2006 02:36:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

I agree with DR on this one, and quite frankly, I think it doubtful that Kevin O'Connor will join this race unless he is asked by Washington, not the CTGOP. Unless that happens, the players in it now are the ones we will be choosing between come November.

8/11/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...

And furthermore-

As I should be working said,
"And CT-GOP - You encouraged Alan to step up. The Convention backed him. And you then you publicly hung him out to dry. "

As the saying goes, you reap what you sew...it should have been taken seriously from the beginning.

8/11/2006 02:41:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

As I should be working -- Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see. I think it is going a bit far to say that the CT GOP encouraged Mr. Schlesinger to step up -- quite frankly, it is quite obvious that many of the top members of the CT GOP preferred that he not enter the race from the beginning...

8/11/2006 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

I agree with TG on this DG..the folks in DC would have to ask O'Connor to enter( assuming the could pursuade AS to leave) and guarantee O'Connor alot of money and logistical support...Your RNC,RSSC and White House would have to place the race as a top priority..and the CTGOP would have to weigh in and agree as well before O'Connor would enter...but its late..and i dont see him doing it right now..furthermore, Lieberman has access to the above entities and right now is discouraging any entry by anyone.

8/11/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Jack Orchulli should not run this time Because people will view it as he just wants a quick way in and a lot of people would think he is pushing Schlesinger under a bus.

In 2010(maybe sooner if Dodd were elected President)Dodd will be up for re-election and I bet he will retire by then.

Imagine Orchulli for the GOP and The Dems Blumenthal, Bysiewicz or DeLauro as possible Dem Candidates.

I have a question that maybe can be discussed at some point who will be the Major Players in 2010 for Governor,Constitutional Officers, US Senate and Congress I truly believe there are a lot of varying and differing views on this topic and I believe it would be interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

8/11/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...

Bruce -

I agree with him too. My point is simply why change horses in the middle of a race if both horse have already come up lame. If you find a stud, switch, otherwise, hobble to the finishline.

And they're off.....

8/11/2006 02:56:00 PM  
Blogger GMR said...

Dodd isn't going to be elected President in 2008.

8/11/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Agreed...additionally Lieberman has tremendous access to your RNC,RSSC and the White House..and is right now pushing for no change..he inherits stray R's away from AS..

8/11/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GMR... just used that as an example odds are The Presidential Nominee is from The South this time around.

8/11/2006 03:06:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Dodd has no chance in 2008...he has upset the progressive establishment with his immense help to Joementum...offers no change in policy that Hillery hasnt already taken..and most importantly would be seen as too conservative for the progressive wing of the party.His run seems like a "vanity run" by an old man in the last of his political years.

8/11/2006 03:08:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

Anon 2:54, why would Dodd retire by 2010 if he is seeking the presidency in 2008? That makes absolutely zero sense.

8/11/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True Gent....After Ned's surprise this year maybe it lights a fire under someone to challenge Dodd in 2010. Only time will tell Yeah your right my excuse is I work overnights so my thought process isnt always together at this time in the day.

8/11/2006 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

disgruntled: back to your original comment, my bet is that both O'Connor and McKinney run for higher office in 2010. One will definitely run for Gov., assuming Rell only runs one term, and the other could run for the Senate against Dodd or Congress. McKinney would be the frontrunner to run in the 4th CD. That's not as a bad a bench as some people are saying.

8/11/2006 03:45:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

The Republicans blew it on this palin and simple; Joe was clearly vulnerable; I hear people say the top leaders didn't want Schlesinger from the start but as I have said in the past why didn't the people in leadership positions who hardly acted like leaders put up instead of shutting up about another candidate at the convention?

8/11/2006 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

Because there was no viable GOP candidate willing to enter the race at that time -- everything is easy to analyze in retrospect...

8/11/2006 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bluecoat: how many people predicted Joe would lose? who knew he would run a terrible campaign and that Lamont would run a great media campaign and spend $4 million of his own? I don't think a lot of people saw that coming. So, any Republican was looking at a one-on-one with an incumbent Senator, well liked statewide who had $10 million in the bank, and in an off year which is generally bad for the party of the President.

Hindsight is 20/20 my friend.

8/11/2006 03:55:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Anon 3:55..I predicted Joe's loss weeks ago..and backed it up with facts and figures..other's did as well.

Bluecoat being a Republican operative has sway in DC and could have got ya a good Rep candidate if folks paid him more attention months ago.

8/11/2006 04:00:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

BR: at best I am a renegade Republican having been registered as one for about three years over the course of my lifetime but not right now; this politics stuff is a new hobby of mine developed over the last four years although I have always had some tangential interests in politics even doing some grass roots lobbying when I worked for a Fortune 100 greedy giant; but you are right they should have listened to me; this stuff that "it would have been a tough road" is nothing but a loser's attitude and even makes the CT GOP irrelevant to the democratic process - very sad. They could actually take on Joe and Ned as I said before by getting the two dozen US Senate Republicans who aren't happy with Bush to come to CT and back a smart candidate but if this blog is any indiciation they are a bunch of chicken shits.

and BTW BR, I post under a handle becasue it's more fun that way!!

8/11/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

Did you just call me, Disgruntled Republican and other Republican bloggers chicken shit, bluecoat?

8/11/2006 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

anon 3:55: Hindsight can be 20/20 but I called for the GOP to step up to the plate way back in january.

8/11/2006 04:24:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

No, I just said that if waht you are saying is any indication of what the leadership is saying and thinking then they are a bunch of chicken shits. I am not allowed by the rules to call fellow bloggers names. (;->>

8/11/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

I was just kidding - it's Friday. I will say this, an individual like Kevin O'Connor was not even asked to run as a candidate or consider a candidacy at that time (and quite frankly, I think the reason for that is most people -- and polls -- showed that Lieberman had a pretty strong hold on the seat still). In January 2006 75% of Republicans though Lieberman should return to office and approximately 60% of Dems felt the same way.

8/11/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

O'Connor is and was risk averse in my opinion TG and you have a much higher opinion of him that I do. I don't think he has what it takes to be the US Senator from CT and I have said that all along. And I knew you were kidding.

The brightest thing I have seen in the CT GOP this season was the challenge in the 89th where Tim White primaried against the old guard in the combined RTC's and won. And I don't know much about White except what I have seen on his blog and I even disagree with some of what he wants to do.

8/11/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

In January 2006 75% of Republicans though Lieberman should return to office and approximately 60% of Dems felt the same way. not unexpected against an unknown/unidentifiable candidate in the race BTW.

8/11/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger The True Gentleman said...

Those numbers were for you, bluecoat, b/c you said that as early as January you called for the GOP to "step up to the plate" = as the numbers show, in January, Lieberman looked like a winner.

8/11/2006 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger bluecoat said...

TG: he looked like a winner against an unknown candidate to those polled; he didn't look like a winner to me; and just becasue he looked like a winner should be no reason for the party not to take its best shot; have a good weekend and hope alan gold drops out.

8/11/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger CTOctaneBlue said...

I'm enjoying the speculation of a "certain" Lamont win if Orchulli enters the race. What I don't understand are the comments that Lamont would be a "weak senator" assuring a loss after one term. Come on!! If Lamont wins, the seat will be his until he decides to retire (or becomes a closet-republican and is thrown out by his own party). I can see at least three terms...

8/11/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, if Lamont wins, the odds are that he will be re-elected in 6 years. That's just a fact - 80% of incumbent US Senators win re-election.

If Lieberman wins, it will be his last term, in all likelihood.

Regardless of who the D candidate is in 6 years, it is easier to win an open seat then it is to beat an incumbent.

For anyone to say that Rs want Lamont to win b/c he will be easier to beat down the road simply flies in the face of fact and logic.

By the way, that's what the right wing Rs said in 1988 - let's get rid of Weicker, who we hate, and we'll beat the other guy (Lieberman) in 6 years. Look how good that turned out!

8/11/2006 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger Eddie said...

I can understand where the Republicans are coming from on this. Jack Orchulli isn't exactly a vote magnet, but compared to Schlesinger (never mind Phil Giordano!), he's at least a respectable sort of guy, as far as I know. Who wants to be on the same line as Schlesinger?

8/11/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Blogger ctblogger said...

D_R is correct.

McKinney or O'Connor would make an excellent candidate and I hope they enter the race as they would make Lieberman all the more irrelevent.

Orchulli is better than Alan Card-Schlesinger and I agree with D_R analysis of him grabbbing 15-20 percent of the vote but McKinney and O'Connor are true Republicans and would grab a higher percentage of the vote and a vote for either of them is a vote taken away from Lieberman.

The Rove script would play out like this:

Keep Schlesinger in till the last minute therfore securing Republican votes for Lieberman as he goes around the state acting more hawkish than ever before.

8/11/2006 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Gronk said...

O'Connor's resume: ran for congress as a favor to rowland and lost 60-40 in a district that is 60-40.

McKinney's resume: state senator from a solidly republican district and hasn't ever approached anyone on moving on up.

Since when are those qualifications for being dubbed "A-list" candidates?

Orchulli takes more GOP votes away from Lieberman and gives the election to Lamont. Orchulli will receive the same cold-shoulder from the GOP establishment in Hartford and Washington. Everyone sees what is happening to Schlesinger (and rightfully so--the guy's an awful candidate) with the white house, rnc, and ctgop all doing no harm to lieberman, so why would a supposedly smart CEO-type want to step into that beartrap?

8/11/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy cow folks. For those of us who actually work when they should be working (i.e., real Republicans), this little string of posts is incredible to read.

Gronk's on the right track. When the only race that can bring out the "A" R candidates is a two and a half month, three-way with an extreme one-issue zealot and a Democrat with an established conservative electoral base, who has received campaign contributions from elected Republicans and recent press releases from Simmons encouraging his independent run, then the conclusion to draw is that there is NO REPUBLICAN PARTY IN CT.

There are handful of popular Republicans who find ways to win (predominantly in the few remaining safe seats---look at the state Senate). But a handful of proven losers appointed to office and folks who have never even visited a swing district, let alone have the courage to risk their safe seat...does not a party make.

The underlying silliness of the string, however, has to do with the absence of a crucial fact: AS's departure from the race. Stop blogging these hypotheticals and (what's worse) this hilarious belief that because some blogger (Bruce) "called" this race "weeks ago" that a better candidate should have emerged.

AS probably won't get out because he hasn't been accused of doing anything that should force him out.

The guy gambled with prostitutes under a false name. While that might certainly offend the more delicate sensibilities of certain gossip columnist, he's running for a seat in a chamber where fellows who plagiarize, urinate in public and kill young women are all considered "leaders" with legitimate presidential aspirations. So, c'mon already.

They nominated him, if they now regret it...too bad. If you had a real party with real ideas...you'd have a real candidate. They don't, they don't and therefore...they don't.

Good night.

8/12/2006 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the theme of what a real party is, consider this:

A real party has leaders who campaign hard for a person and, when that person loses the nomination, stand behind the winner. (Dodd on Lieberman).

This is the exact opposite of a party whose leaders nominate a person and then throw him under the bus. (Rell, Gallo, Simmons, Shays and Johnson on Schlesinger).

But then again, the founding act of the current state Republican Party is the fratricide committed upon John Rowland. This is not a group that values loyalty or cares about party.

(Stop hyperventilating...I am not excusing what Rowland did, I am making a different point).

They are, oddly enough, only in it for themselves. Not surprisingly, most of them think Lieberman's act of party disloyalty is some kind of badge of honor. They understand that Joe is for Joe, just like they are for themselves.

You gotta walk party, not just talk party.

8/12/2006 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Inquiring minds want to know said...

Anonymous said...
the exact opposite of a party whose leaders nominate a person and then throw him under the bus.

Alan has climbed under the bus.

Hires Foley against the wishes of Rell.

Says: "28000 is not a lot of money to me.."
A remark that's sure to play well with Joe Lunchbox.

Wait till you see what he was using his state phone card for ages ago.

8/13/2006 08:19:00 AM  

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