Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Open Forum

50 comments:

Patricia Rice said...

Very appropriate because Connecticut is for Joe. I do think that if enough reasonable Democrats vote in the primary than none of this will matter. Negative Ned's only shot is if the centrist of the party stay home leaving the left wing fanatics to have their way.

Gary Holder-Winfield said...

I am no "left wing fanatic" but what Joe is doing is ridiculous and if he loses that should be it. And, it is one thing to run as an independent but now he has his own party? So let's see Joe was going to be an independent Democrat so now he must be running as a...Lieberman Democrat. I guess that's fitting - a party of one that is.

Hopewellian_Magi said...

"Oh Vanity! Thy name is Joe Lieberman."

When Howard Dean ran for President, he called his campaign Dean for America, not the other way around. Lieberman's Party name is the fruit of his vanity.

Anonymous said...

Our sons and daughters: 2550+ reasons to vote for Ned Lamont. More "new" reasons every day.

Griswold Dem said...

Was talking to a self-described "independent democrat" from Waterbury today who said that she's been inundated with phone calls from Lieberman's campaign to the point where finally, last night, she told them that she was switching her vote to Lamont. She said that she had also received at least five polling phone calls on the Senate race over the past two months (which is a ton for one person). So Lieberman's grassroots operation seems to either be way too overzealous in calling and recalling, or they are being managed poorly and the same lists are being called every other day. But if Lieberman's campaign has turned off someone who had been a staunch Liebermanite for the years I've known her, then she can't be the only one....and I'd imagine Waterbury is a huge target district for him.

And if he is polling that much, which I beleive he is, and he hasn't released any positive findings from those polls...meanwhile he's hedging an independent run and creating a new party...I'm sorry to say that Joe looks like a sinking ship.

Anonymous said...

Griswold Dem: You think that Lieberman is on a sinking ship...Are you not the same "DEM" that recently was saying how much you like Jodi Rell and how you would like to support her?

Thats an interesting way of showing party loyalty.

Gio said...

Our sons and daughters, for the most part, don't vote.

Activist, greying, baby boomers are the ones who may vote--if they are not on vacation.

Griswold Dem said...

Anon: I'm still pulling the lever for him...what Lieberman supporter can honestly feel good right now about the way Joe's campaign has conducted itself? It's been a sh*t show from day 1!

Obviously I would not have heard that news about Wtby if I wasn't talking Joe up (and getting it thrown back in my face).

disgruntled_republican said...

Anon 10:59-

So does that mean that you think griswold dem should vote for Democrats just because of party registration?

What's wrong with voter the person instead of the party?

Test Man said...

I hear that Lieberman is using the same research firm that Verizon Wireless uses, except that instead of asking, "Can you hear me now?" they have Joe asking, "Are you sick of me yet?"

anon1059 said...

Disgruntled: There is a reason why we choose to align ourselves with a party. I will vote for an Independent but never a Republican. Without going into a long diatribe, Republicans are against everything I believe in.

BRubenstein said...

Gary-Holder...Dont mind Pat Rice..she thinks anyone against the war who wants our troops home is a traiter and un-american...and she has actually said that. We take whatever she says with a grain of salt.Like you, I am a patriotic american with alot of concerns about Joe and I will be voting for Lamont, just like over 50% of the rest of the Democratic Party will be doing.

ctblogger said...

Oedipus Lieberman!

I think I'm going to stab my eyes out.

The True Gentleman said...

Anon 10:59, that's pretty sad that you would never vote for a republican simply because that person is a republican.

disgruntled_republican said...

anon1059-

That really is sad...I can understand the philosophy as a whole as that is why I am a republican but republicans in CT are not typical republicans. Some are more democrat than democrats are.

Guess that means you wouldn't have voted for Lincoln either...

GMR said...

I usually vote a straight Republican ticket, but not all the time. In fact, in 1995, I lived in Stamford and voted for Dan Malloy for mayor. I didn't really have an idea who he was, but the Republican that year, can't remember who but I think it may have been Esposito, was not that great from what I remember. Dan Malloy won't be getting my vote this year even if he beats JDS.

bluecoat said...

don't get too nostalgic there guys; there are Republicans who would never vote Democrat...

disgruntled_republican said...

YOu are right bluecoat...and I would tell them the same thing...sad sad sad

TrueBlueCT said...

Lieberman v. Lamont in terms of their politics.

Foreign Policy-- Lieberman is ridiculously to the Right of Ned Lamont. (If you can call the Iraq Experiment a conservative enterprise.)

Economic/Pocketbook Issues-- Lieberman would have to be to the Left of Lamont, who has run his own business, and as Town Selectman voted with the Republicans on budget items.

Social Issues-- Not much difference between the two, but Lieberman would have to be considered to the Right of Lamont due to his "taxi-cab" comment, his compromising on Supreme Court justices, Schiavo, and his willingness to blur the line between Church and State.

Looking at things this way, which Senate candidate is most in tune with CT voters?

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

I agree: Sad. Any Republican who would have voted for Giordano, for example (and that was before we knew what a pervert he was) had to be putting party ahead of everything else ...

The True Gentleman said...

I, like DR, also consider republicans who won;t vote for a democrat sad. There is often times more to a candidate than party affiliation.


TrueblueCT, is that candidate possibly Alan Schlesinger, you would you never consider him because he is a republican?

Gio said...

"Looking at things this way, which Senate candidate is most in tune with CT voters?"

well--Lieberman has been Senator for 18 years--So for the past 3 Senatorial elections-Lieberman has been in tune with the Ct electorate in the general election. And I would bet he got a lot of R votes, as well as U's and D's.

Now the real question is, who shows up to vote on August 8th??? Will the anger of the blogosphere propel Lamont, or is there a silent majority willing to let Joe be Joe...

TrueBlueCT said...

TG--
If the GOP wasn't wrecking America, I might gladly consider Alan Schlesinger. As it stands now, I am must remain an ardent Dem partisan. (but I look forward to a time when I can be more comfortably middle-of-the-road.)

The True Gentleman said...

Ouch, TrueBlueCT. Did you ever consider that the state legislator (which is Democrat-controlled) is leading to what you referred to as "wrecking America?" My point is that what we perceive as good policy in New England may be bad policy in the heartland, south, or west, and vice versa. I'm not sure that you can make such a sweeping generalization without taking into account the role of each state government. Just a thought.

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

Hopewellian_Magi,

"When Howard Dean ran for President, he called his campaign Dean for America, not the other way around. Lieberman's Party name is the fruit of his vanity."

I hear President Dean's re-election team has re-hired Joe Trippi to run the show.

Seriously, let's not get out of control over the semantics here. Nobody who hasn't made their mind up cares or will care.

FatGuyinMiddleSeat said...

From the Stamford Advocate:

"Responding to criticism over his wealth, Democratic Senate candidate Ned Lamont sunk another $500,000 of his own fortune into his campaign yesterday and agreed to publicly release his tax information." The 2005 returns won't be available until filed (extension), but the campaign expects them to be released before the primary.

Now, Ned could show us his 2004 returns right now. The surprise will be that Annie has been the breadwinner-

Chris MC said...

Oh TG, puleeze.

The Republican Congress and this disaster of a President are systematically destroying the country.

It is only my party's ineptitude, specifically the Gore and Kerry campaigns, that keeps us from taking the White House.

And it is primarily the gerrymandering of Congressional districts in places like Texas that keep us from putting a whole lot more Congressional seats in play.

My God, TG.

BRubenstein said...

A Real honest poster would have said that "aspects" ( and not a majoprity of either party) of BOTH parties have hurt this Country.

The True Gentleman said...

Right, now it's gerrymandering that is keeping the Dems out of power in certain locations of the country. Give me a break, Chris MC.

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Nope. Sorry. Can't agree.

Chris MC says, It is only my party's ineptitude, specifically the Gore and Kerry campaigns, that keeps us from taking the White House.

And it is primarily the gerrymandering of Congressional districts in places like Texas that keep us from putting a whole lot more Congressional seats in play.


Nuh-uh.

No one I know would disagree that the Dems are anything but ept. And now that the district-drawing shoe is on the other foot, Dems are finding it a little less comfortable than it used to be.

But the real reason Dems aren't in power now, haven't been in power since the Reagan Revolution and - I venture to guess - won't be in power until they stop drinking Howard's Kool-Aid and kick dinosaurs like Pelosi, Ted K and Maxine Waters to the curb is this: No one's buying the leftover 60's hippy-dip BS they're selling.

Dems will either realize this or cease to exist as a coherent, effective political party. This is the nature of the struggle that is playing our in Democratic politics across the country right now.

This ongoing Spanish Inquisition of Joe Lieberman is one of the death throes for one wing or the other of the Democratic Party ... the only question left to be answered is, Which wing?

The answer foretells the party's future.

cgg said...

We had several campaign volunteers speak at our DTC meeting last night. I actually felt kind of sorry for the Lieberman guy. Other than him no one was wearing a Liberman button or sticker, even those who I knew to support Joe. I watched him try to convince a few people to take bumper stickers with no luck. And his five minutes trying to get volunteers just had no heart.

Nancy DiNardo also came and spoke to us. Someone thanked her for agreeing to support the winner of the primary, and she said that until the primary she still stood behind the endorsed candidates. What's interesting to me is that she use Liebermna's name, just referred to him as the endoresed candidate.

Joe Lieberman isn't for Connecticut, or for CT Democrats. Joe Lieberman is in this for himself.

Chris MC said...

TG -
Gerrymandering in mid-term in Texas had a material impact on the makeup of the Congress, TG. And while it is true that depending on the state the Republicans and the Democrats are each responsible, the Republicans have held the balance of power and are known to have specifically pursued a strategy of rigging the structure of national politics to favor them.

Note that I am saying put seats in play, not Democrats in power.

ADANR -
This is the nature of the struggle that is playing our in Democratic politics across the country right now.

I can't wholeheartedly agree with the entirety of that post, and I can't give it the attention it deserves because I have to go, but the part I cited here I do have to agree with, at least insofar as the Lieberman/Lamont fight is concerned.

For now it will have to suffice to say that there is another influence that is not well represented around here nor in the Connecticut Democratic party that foretells the real future of the party. I'll be back with more about that at some point...

justavoter said...

Its a new tv comedy show Connecticut For Lieberman.
Wait lets see the ratings are in and the show is in the hole.

So stayed tuned folks because only Cable access is airing this show .

The ratings are so bad the major networks won't take it.

Headline news Joe Lieberman votes fo himself in his new party and loses the primary.

i am waiting for a new country called Joe Lieberman.

Thats coming next .

Also maybe the Joe Lieberman Tv network all Joe all the Time.

When I want a bad joke I can now look to Joe Lieberman daily.

JerryDucksworth4334 said...

Will someone from the Chris Murphy campaign PLEASE respond to posts on their blog. A blog is for an open exchange of questions, answers and ideas, not something that should be censored like a Bush stooge at the CIA. Chris, we won't hurt you, please come out of the fetal position in your New Britain campaign office and talk to those of us who support Ned. We just want to know where you stand on Ned and why you saw fit to endorse Joe and be on Fox News campaigning with him last Friday.

NeverForgettheWhale said...

In the Fetal position cursing Ned for Sucking all the political air out of the CT Prpgressive Politics and relegating him to the B team.

NewEnglandsRisingStar said...

Chris was on Fox News? - Tell me not national Fox News?

The True Gentleman said...

Not that I care, but it just dawned on me. What are all of the Lamont supporters going to do if Lieberman wins the primary? I know that Mr. Lamont has stated that he will support the Senator, but I wonder whether those of you with such anger directed at the Senator will do?

Anonymous said...

TG:

They will work for Murphy/Shays/farrel (at least most will).

Joe wont need any help, so it doesnt really matter. If it were going to be a tight race, I think almost all ned supporters would vote for joe in the general.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

bluecoat said... "...
there are Republicans who would never vote Democrat...
"


Not many; if indeed that were the case Weicker wouldn't have lost his senate seat in 1988.


In 2008 if the Dems are bright enough to run Mark Warner and the GOP dumb enough to run either Giuliani or McCain the outcome would surprise you.

TrueBlueCT said...

TG--
We'll fall back in line, quietly snickeirng as Farrell and Courtney try to gain traction on the war issue, and work our butts off to get DeStefano or Malloy elected.

What, you think we can't handle defeat or lose with dignity? Dean was a great team player after his primary loss. And so were we!

P.S. We're not angry. The angry person is Joe Lieberman who is having to spend time in Connecticut, and doesn't like being held to account! CTKeith and I have been having the time of our lives! I don't think they're laughing too heartily over at the Lieberman camp, however....

cgg said...

TrueGent, many of Lamont's supporters are already volunteering for other campaigns. Should Lamont lose the primary there will be plenty of other candidates to support, and work for.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

TrueBlueCT said... "
If the GOP wasn't wrecking America
"


The nat'l. debt as a percentage of the GDP is lower right now than in 17 of the past 25 years. (According to NPR, a source you'll probably accept.)

More home ownership than ever before.

More minority home ownership than ever as well.

Unemployment is around 4.5% which is about as low as it can get.



So, uh...whadda you talking about?

Anonymous said...

All the Lamont People can go work for the Green Party since they are on the same wave length.

Gio said...

ACR--The Dems need to institute universal health care, living wages, and drive Walmart out of business. When they have accomplished that, and unemployment is at 15%, all will be well in liberal land.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Gio said... "-The Dems need to institute universal health care.."


If you think health care's expensive now...just wait till it's "free".

Then it'll cost all of us a fortune and be unavailable too!

Perfect!

The True Gentleman said...

Gio and ACR, it won't cost us a dime, remember? The rich will pay for it for us.

Gabe said...

TG - The same thing our candidate is saying and the same thing we have been saying from the get go - We will support the winner of the Democratic primary...

The True Gentleman said...

Gabe, I know that certain contributors here have said that they will support whoever wins the primary (and I believe some of you, like you, truebluect, etc, to name a few), but I only raise that b/c some people's comments towards Senator Lieberman are pretty harsh. I just don't see how you can say such nasty things about a candidate and then still support him if need be.

Anonymous said...

I am with Joe Lieberman until the end.I would never vote for Ned Lamont Because he is pushing a very bad issue and it is the only reason he is running for US Senator is the Iraq War.

Also Mr Lamont's supporters are liberal, left wing morons who will put the final nail in The Democratic Party's coffin here in Connecticut.

The DFA is a sham it is a front and most of its followers are wingnuts and crazy people I have a name for DFA and unfortunately I cant put it on here But I am sure you can figure it out.

The Lamont supporters are rowdy and they have no clue what America is all about. If they would have a decent conversation about the issues and not shout down anyone who supports Lieberman or Schlesinger Then it would be an interesting blog But these people have no life but to put others down.

It is all this negative and assanine behavior by The people who support Ned Lamont and is the reason I would never support him If a miracle happens and he were to win. I think that's not happening.

So you Lamont Left Wingers enjoy it while it lasts Because on August 8th Joe Lieberman will win and it will be a Great Day for The State of Connecticut.

Anonymous said...

Where are you Lamont Groupies Now???

Answer-Getting ready to help The Green Party or Help Schlesinger win the Senate Seat or vote for one of the other candidates for US Senate.

August 8th we can say good bye to The Lamont Campaign As Undertaker from WWE would say "Rest IN Peace"