Thursday, July 06, 2006

New Haven's "No-Tell" Policy Bad For Our Security

As I read through the news this morning, there were many different topics to choose from for my first "front-page" post. Do I address the Connecticut General Assembly's never-ending Government Administation and Elections Committee investigation of Governor Rell's Chief of Staff, Lisa Moody? Do I comment on the resignation of former DCF Chief Kristine Ragaglia from her fraud investigative position at DSS? Do I comment on tonight's Lieberman-Lamont debate (which has the interest of most of the readers at this time)?

I have chosen, however, to address the City of New Haven's "No Tell" policy of not reporting illegal immigrants to federal authorities. As the New Haven Register points out, a total of 68 cities and state governments have policies declining to enforce federal civil immigration violations for community policing reasons. While I understand that many cities/states cannot bear the financial/manpower burden of enforcing the federal immigration laws, I find the practice of not reporting immigration violations, simply because they are civil violations, to be deplorable and a threat to our national security.

I do not share the position of many of my conservative colleagues that we should close the borders to immigration. This would be quite un-American, as our nation is one of immigrants. However, illegal immigration brings with it a threat to our citizens. I find it amazing that a man running for Governor would make it his policy to turn a blind eye to the law (any law). I placed a telephone call to the Mayor Dan Malloy's office and was informed that, to the best of their knowledge, the City of Stamford does not have a similar policy.

The adoption of "no-tell" policy is a severe hindrance to the federal government's enforcement of our immigration laws and a risk to our security. Instead of ignoring illegal immigration, our local/state law enforcement agencies should be cooperating with the federal government to enforce the laws of our land by reporting incidents of illegal immigration. I don't think that is too much to ask.

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16884377&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7576&rfi=6&xb=gulat

(Please forgive me for the lengthy web address, I haven't quite figured out how to save the link as a title only.)

33 comments:

bluecoat said...

more often than not the feds chose to do nothing about the reports; I know nothing about the specifics of the New Haven program but my guess is it is defensible by the chief of NHPD....

ctkeith said...

If New Haven police did ask and it was determined a person was an illegal and the feds were called nothing would happen anyway.

The Federal government isn't enforcing it's own laws and won't take custody of someone simply because they're illegal.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I'd respect this post more if A True Gentlemen actually called the NHPD instead of just going after its policies.

I'd also respect it more if CLP at least made an effort to appear neutral and stop carrying water for the Malloy camp.

What? Nothing about Lisa Moody and her possible perjury? Come on now.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Please forgive me for the lengthy web address, I haven't quite figured out how to save the link as a title only.

Place this in front "<" no space"A" one space then "href=" now add the url; then at the end of the address this">" then write whatever you like here then finish it with this"<"no space"/"no space"a"no space">"

Right click on the following link and you can see how it the origianl link when you left click PROPERTIES.

It's almost impossible to show how it's done on a site where it's enabled.

Add < A href=url address here>comment here > < / a > the only real space is between the first A and href.


New Haven's "No-Tell" Policy Bad For Our Security

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Mmmm Jodi Rell said... "
Nothing about Lisa Moody and her possible perjury?
"


What nothing about a year old memo given to the press but not to Republican members of the committee?

Come on now.

Genghis Conn said...

Also good to click on "help" up top, if anyone ever needs an HTML lesson or refresher. I put a bunch of examples there.

John DeStefano said...

This is John DeStefano - our policy is driven by a commitment to community policing - that is to say maintaining a relationship with the people living in New Haven. If we have a criminal warrant, or a notice of a security risk, of course we will act. But for the vast majority (and I mean VAST) this is not a national security issue. That's a excuse used by those who just want to demonize immigrants. Meanwhile our City is committed to working with all the people who live in New Haven. Most undocumented are law abiding, hard working and taxpayers. How about solving the problem rather than blaming someone else. Meanwhile I think it's important for our PD to have a written policy that they can understand and consistently enforce. Sorry, but I'm not sticking around.

BRubenstein said...

Perhaps the blame should be on Jody Rell and the Republican's for not putting enough money in the budget for New Haven and other cities to do their jobs.Or accordingly the Bush Republicans for not sending enough money to the cities for the city and the police to do their jobs regarding immigrants.

The True Gentleman said...

Bluecoat and CTKeith, the point is not whether the feds would actually enforce the laws. The point is that cities and states should not be making decisions as to whether or not to even report illegal immigration. All illegal immigration should be reported to the federal authorities, period! To do otherwise makes the immigration laws irrelevant.

Mmmm jodi rell. I don't post for the Malloy camp and will not be voting for either Democrat in the fall. To suggest that I would support Malloy means that you haven't read any of my previous posts (and also means that you ignorantly believe that just because someone points out negative things about JDS they must be in favor of Malloy). I don't care who follows this policy, republican, democrat, etc. It is bad policy and should stop. To placate your concerns, I have placed a call to the NHPD asking for their comments/clarification of this policy.

Derby Conservative said...

Come on Mmmm Jodi, True G isn't shilling for Malloy. He's a conservative commentator and is likely voting for the woman that you obviously find so delicious.

The True Gentleman said...

Mayor DeStefano, the fact remains that these individuals are illegally in our country (regardless of whether their contributions are positive or negative). It should not be up to me, you, or the Governor to decide the nation's immigration laws, and that is what you are doing by choosing not to report illegal immigrants to federal authorities. I understand what your reasons are and community policing is definitely a valid concern.

As I stated before, I believe that immigration is a great thing - we wouldn't be here without it. However, illegal immigration is an entirely different situation and it is not up to the cities and states to determine whether a person should be in this country. It is for the federal government to decide. This is not intended to "demonize immigrants," but rather how our government operates to provide citizens with proper and essential programs (Social Security, Medicare, etc.).

I appreciate your post, Mayor DeStefano, but respectfully disagree with your policy. And for the record, so that you know that I don't have political motives for this post, I am a not a supporter of your opponent in the upcoming primary.

Derby Conservative said...

Mayor D, how come you're not hanging around? Are you afraid to engage the blogosphere in constructive debate or are you just shaping up to be a "Cut and Run" Democrat?

I find it offensive that you say that Conservatives demonize immigrants. My people came from Italy in the 1910's...legally. They didn't swim across a river or hide in a cargo container. Anyone who wishes to join the melting pot and try for the American Dream is certainly welcome in my book...just don't enter our country illegally.

cgg said...

Wow, first post and a response from JDS himself! I'm envious.

True Gent, it sounds like you want to create busy work for the PD. Immigration isn't their domain and IMO it shouldn't be. Surely they have more important things to be focusing on.

The True Gentleman said...

cgg, how is it busy work? I simply ask that when they encounter an individual and determine that they are in fact an illegal immigrant that they simply report it to federal authorities. I have not asked for the local police departments to enforce the immigration laws. It doesn't take long to pick up the phone and call a number to report it.

bluecoat said...

TG: you may wish to look at the policies on this of the CT State Police as well as the New York City PD before you lecture me on this....plus I huess that really was JDS clarifying the policy at NHPD...

The True Gentleman said...

Bluecoat, it interesting how you take a point of view that obviously differs from yours as being a "lecture." If the NYPD is also doing it, then I disagree with them. I think I made it pretty clear that I don't care who's following this type of a policy - I think it is wrong and hurts our overall enforcement of the immigration laws.

bluecoat said...

I think the NYPD knows more about counterterrorism than probably anybody in the country; you made this about national security not the rule of law; and I am not so sure the NHPD is breaking any law with their policy BTW...

The True Gentleman said...

Bluecaot, I'm not sure where you are coming from here...I never hinted that the NHPD was breaking any law.

And, you're right, the NYPD probably knows the most about counter-terrorism than anyone else in this country. Here's where I am coming from on the security issue: If the NHPD determines that someone is an illegal immigrant, they WILL report him/her if their is a warrant or they are a known security risk. Otherwise, the NHPD (by direction of the Mayor's policy) will not report them for community policing reasons (a valid argument). Here is where I go the other way. Sometimes you just don't know if the person is a security risk until it is too late. This policy does not take into consideration the chance that an illegal immigrant might BECOME a security risk. That is why I think they should at least report it and then let the Feds decide whether they want to investigate it. I thinkit is a more intelliegnt plan to follow.

The True Gentleman said...

Mmmm Jodi Rell, the NHPD has confirmed that the NH Register article is accurate as to the policy.

cgg said...

TrueGent I think of making phone calls as busy work.

Also in response to a later comment you made anyone breaking the law might BECOME a security risk.

bluecoat said...

TG: my point on the 'lecture' comment is that you veered from your original premise that this was a national security issue by getting in to the social sevices businees on undocumented aliens; as far as working with the feds, my guess is NHPD and NYPD have that all worked out - and it isn't about reporting every undocumented they come across....

Gabe said...

While I was in favor of TG initially, I have flip-flopped. First post gets a response from a candidate. Total BS!

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Aldon Hynes said...

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s Traffic Safety Facts, “The economic cost of speeding-related crashes is estimated to be $40.4 billion each year.” They go on to say that in 2004, “13,192 lives were lost in speeding related crashes.” In the appendix, they report that in 2004, 98 people in Connecticut lost their lives in speeding related accidents.

To borrow from The True Gentleman, the fact remains that speeders driving illegally in our country. I don’t mean to denigrate people who are so frightened about immigrants illegally in our country. There are many illegal behaviors that people participate in, some have significant impact on peoples lives. Others have smaller impacts.

If The True Gentleman is so concerned about illegal activity that is threatening lives in Connecticut, I would encourage him to focus on issues like speeding.

The True Gentleman said...

Thanks, Gabe. I try to rattle the cages and it worked...

The True Gentleman said...

I'll tell you what Aldon, I'll leave that fight to you...

Aldon Hynes said...

Derby Conservative, I was hoping that Genghis’ new policy would have been done something to prevent unwarranted attacks like your recent comment. In his post on June 23, he asked people to demonstrate civility and refrain from name-calling.

Even though I disagree with The True Gentleman on the importance of the immigration issue, I stand with CGG and Gabe in congratulating him on a very good post that brought Mayor DeStefano into the discussion, albeit briefly. It is rare for public figures to engage in discussions in the blogosphere. They have busy lives and the discussions in the blogosphere are rarely the best use of time.

I feel confident that if you, or others come up with some great insights into the issue of immigration, members of Mayor DeStefano’s staff will get that information to him, and if it is particularly noteworthy, he may return to provide additional thoughts.

The True Gentleman said...

Thank you, Aldon. I don't think Mayor DeStefano likes me very much right now but I try to call it how I see it. And I do appreciate him taking the time to make a post, it was very beneficial to the discussion (although, I did not like his "solving the problem rather than blaming someone else" comment because his policy actually advocates ignoring what many people consider a problem).

A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Aldon:

I'm a hard-working, (generally) law-abiding taxpayer - can I speed in New Haven? Sounds like writing me a speeding ticket might distract from all that community policing that's going on ...

Derby Conservative said...

Aldon- you are undoubtedly aware that Genghis approved my comment. That said, Cut and Run is a euphemism used to describe someone who interjects their contribution into a situation and then leaves without defending said contribution. Mayor D. logged onto the blog, entered a defense of his policy and then left just as abruptly without staying for even a few minutes to take comments. As that is surely cutting and running, there was no name calling in my post…unless of course you consider the term “democrat” derogatory.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Derby Conservative said... "
unless of course you consider the term “democrat” derogatory."



And who doesn't?

TrueBlueCT said...

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bluecoat said...

everybody has probably moved on from this post but I wanted to put this link up here in hopes that TG, and anyone else interested woule take a look at this from the International Association of Chiefs of PolicePresident's Message: Immigration Enforcement by Nonfederal Police Agencies By Chief Mary Ann Viverette, Gaithersburg,Maryland and if interested you can mosey around the IACP web and see more on the issue...

The True Gentleman said...

Thanks for the great post, bluecoat. Very interesting article that I had not seen in the past. I just want to remind everyone that I did not call for local/state law enforcement to enforce civil immigration laws, only to report violations to the federal authorities -- there is a significant difference.