Post whatever thoughts you have left on the debate here. Most of the reaction I'm seeing out there is that Lamont did okay, but that Lieberman may have shot himself in the foot. Since expectations for Lieberman were pretty high (after all, he's an 18-year veteran of the Senate, and has run for president and vice president), that translates into sort of a win for Lamont.
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Lamont did well enough for a newcomer to the national scene. I am not sure Lieberman shot himself in the foot, but his demeanor almost made him look like the challenger. He was on the attack for a lot of the time. He also seemed nonplused that someone like Lamont had the ability/right to run against him
can we please get back to MOODY???
God, what does a democratic gubernatorial candidate have to do?!!
Anonymous said... "
can we please get back to MOODY???"
Nope; no traction there.
again
Thanks for playing, better luck next time. (That'll be 4 years from now.)
Per the AP looks like the CW is solidifying the Joe hurt himself in the debate...looks like Dinardo is pretty much out there by herself in this article!!
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/
wire/connecticut/ny-bc-ct--
senatedebate0707jul07,0,4793487.
story?coll=ny-region-apconnecticut
(sorry I don't know how to make links)
Amazing....its amazing to me how modern democrats are. Lieberman has been a loyal Democrat his entire career, including running for VP and President. Now because he took a position on the war contrary to the liberal base and unlike his lying two faced counterpart John Kerry, has been consistent in his position, liberal democrats are trying to run him out of town and tell him hes really a Republican and should run as one? Thats a thanks for ya Senator. To hell with all that you did for your party and for the state, we dont like your position on the war and will run you out because of it.
Its the same mentality these people took with Zell Miller who was more democrat by blood than anyone. His mother was a Democrat, he served his whole life as one...but because he stood up and screamed how his party was broken they turned ugly on him.
Yep, thats today's Democrat....ugly, bitter and only interested in what has been doen for them today. Is there any wonder mthe majority of centrist americans dont identify with the democratic party?
I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR A DAY NOW...GET BACK TO MOODY....LENDER'S GOT A PIECE ON MORANO RE-OPENING THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OF LISA "THE BULL" MOODY.
Bruce, I find it interesting in defending Kerry from charges of lying your defense is that he is easily duped. I can't say this makes me dissatified with the 2004 election.
Better one who can dupe as President that the one who was duped.
Perhaps the leaked transcripts do show that Bush was really brighter than Kerry.
So much for the R candidate having a chance at the seat. Bob Novak may be the evil emperor but he certainly is well connected to Republicans in DC who say:
"Lieberman's Republican Senate colleagues privately despair of the GOP picking up the Connecticut seat. But they hope Lieberman, if elected as an independent, would be more inclined to vote with Republicans than he is now, even if he still caucuses with the Democrats."
Two excellent points here:
1) No matter what happens in a 2 way or 3 way race this is going to be a Democratic seat.
2) Despite Joe's claims, if he wins as an independent, he's going to abandon the party even more and continue to be a rubber stamp for bush!
(I await turrfies and patricias attacks on me, while they claim Ned is negative)
bluecoat,,,,I do not trust American lives with a would be commander in chief who is easily duped, though based on his activities with the NVA in 1972, it probably wasn;t the first time
A three-way race of Lieberman, Lamont and presumably Schlesinger will almost certainly result in Lieberman winning, and Schlesinger would probably come in third.
Furthermore, I would imagine that a three-way race would help Democrats in down-ticket races, including Congressional seats and state senate and house seats, as you'd get heavy Democrat turnout. (The only thing that could have an impact is that many Democrats will vote Rell, then Lieberman, so they're not voting straight ticket, and may look at the next few races a bit more closely). Another thing a three way race will do is deprive down-ticket Democrats of volunteers, who'll all be working for Lamont or Lieberman.
However, for the national Democrat Party, a three way race is an absolute disaster.
You've already got Wellstone and Hillary saying they'd endorse Lamont if he won the primary. You've got other Senators who have basically said they'll back Lieberman. So in any event, there'd be a split within the Democrats in the Senate about whether to support Joementum or Crazy Ned. Don't think that the media isn't going to pound that issue, and relentlessly ask Democrats who haven't made a commitment who they are supporting.
Lieberman's running as an independent essentially says: The Democrat primary voters are too far out of the mainstream to be trusted. That'll go over well with the base in the rest of the country.
Various Democrat activist groups like MoveOn are going to make financing Ned's campaign their #1 priority.
This could be a major schism in the Democrat party.
And if there's a three-way race, do you think anyone is going to give a damn about DM or JDS?
hooray, turfgrrl and I agree on something :)
I still remain dubious about a stronger R candidate though until I see one.
Although right now Joe polls well in 3 way, remember the huge swing that's happening now in the D primary.
I's in the state are unhappy with the war, with the energy bill, etc.
I expect a similar shift in the general, will it be enough to win? That is the million doller question!
GMR said... "do you think anyone is going to give a damn about DM or JDS??
Does anyone now?
yeah - the war will be ratified either way. except, of course, for the fact that Joe is running his entire campaign on the theme "vote for me for everything I do other than the war," "agree to disagree", etc.
Hard to see that as any form of ratification...
if he were running on the platform - vote for me because I did the right thing on iraq. yay me!, and he won, then that would indeed be a ratification. but he's not.
Sorry
Oops, my bad, not Wellstone. I meant Feingold (both are traditional liberals from NFC Central states, both seem to be fairly consistent in their views. Except that Feingold is living).
Zengerite -
Here's the thing, though - if Joe somehow wins on Aug. 8, it will clearly be DESPITE his unflinching support for the war, not because of it, that he wins. and Ned would not have lost due to his opposition for the war, but rather because voters decided he was not about more THAN the war.
This is not spin, it is truth. Lieberman is running away from iraq, and towards everything else. igf you want to rgue that the majority of Lieberman supporters support his views on iraq, then you are being willfuly ignorant - look at all the recent polls that show large majorities of Democrats opposing the war and favoring some sort of withdrawal.
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