Monday, October 09, 2006

Gubernatorial Debate Open Thread

Go ahead and post thoughts about the debate as it happens in this thread. I've taken comment moderation off so comments can be posted in real time.

You can, if you feel like getting sloshed, play our drinking game. But you probably won't want to do that. Debate coming on now, on WTNH channel 8.

update: We're having a little trouble with comments. I'm working on it.

86 comments:

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Just got a call from a friend in the unions down at New London - outside the labor unions had set up a Mustang with a jet ski being towed behind it. Both had bows on them!

Genghis Conn said...

Wild, MJR. I don't think anyone remembers the jet ski thing, though.

ken krayeske said...

I remember it, Genghis, and I know someone who is friend's with Mike Rell that didn't know about it, and was surprised to hear of such issue.

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

Genghis Conn said...

DeStefano sounds hoarse.

He's an optimist?

MJR's thanking DeStefano for being a candidate... ouch.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

No suprise there - Jodi picks all the liberal and moderate issues to pick out at the start.

Except for contracting reform - isn't that how we got into this I-84 mess in the first place?

Genghis Conn said...

First question, electic regulation...

$50 for a tank of gas? What kind of car does he drive?

First attack by DeStefano...

Rell stumbling a little. She seems a little nervous. She's blaming the legislature for blocking her plans.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I hope the "blame the legislature" theme doesn't stick for the entire night - seems a little whiny.

The energy issue is sticky and complex - you throw around enough numbers and you can really mumble the argument.

Genghis Conn said...

Property taxes next.

Rell defending the car tax. She says she'll introduce it again next session.

CTKnows said...

Rell, Little shaky, she pays the bills, Oil bill paid last month, how about seeing a copy of the returned check. Is she fluff or real?

Genghis Conn said...

Lord, DeStefano sounds awful. He's either strained his voice or he's sick-- not a good sign for him.

Genghis Conn said...

George Bush? Where did he come from?

Genghis Conn said...

GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!

wow.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

DeStefano hit that one out of the park. Property tax is an issue that everyone feels in their pocket and I think, deep down, that homeowners realize that car taxes aren't the answer.

Jodi is trying to dumb down the answer. Someone should tell her that they don't make Taurus's anymore.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Maybe that rally outside got a little out of hand. Maybe he's lost his voice.

Genghis Conn said...

He's partly right about New London. US Coast Guard Academy, Conn College and Mitchell College form a big percentage of NL's land area... but they have a higher PERCENTAGE of tax-exempt land.

He did well on that answer. But the convention center, stadium, etc., was all Rowland's stuff.

Convention center really isn't working in Hartford. Really. It isn't.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

ESPN is filming a TV movie in New London because they needed a location that looked 30 years old and beat up like New York City. That's nothing to be proud of, Governor Rell.

Stretchy McStretch said...

Man, I'd love to see the pot of gold DeStefano is planning on using to fund all of these grandiose ideas...

Anonymous said...

JDS needs to hit one out of the park.... hitting a foul at best....

and yes, he sounds horrible.

Genghis Conn said...

This is Jodi Rell's strength. That question (about CFR) was kind of a softball. She did well.

There's the connection to Rowland from JDS.

Mumbling in the crowd. Not sure what sort.

There's Moody. "The governor's commitment to ethics has limits."

BLINDSPOT said...

Ethics... what about his....

Can you remember Bosie Kimber and Canto....

New Haven hasn't been honest....

Genghis Conn said...

She's not taking DeStefano's bait. She sort of attacked him there, but she could have stomped him over his own campaign contributions. She didn't.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Very aggressive on DeStefano's part - and very to the point. There was nothing false about what he said - we've all read the articles about 84 and Lisa Moody and everything else. Wonder if that'll wake her up.

Genghis Conn said...

George Bush Mentions So Far: 3

CTKnows said...

starting to feel tippsy, glad they moved off the ethics... lost track of how many shots that was...

ken krayeske said...

fill me in - what is bosie kimber and canto? sounds like a law firm?

i'm sitting here in torts - can i get more play by play? anyone? please...

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Jodi Rell: first line of defense against the North Korean menace.

You heard it here first.

Genghis Conn said...

Rell's answer on illegal immigration: it's illegal. But she supports a way to citizenship.

Why is she calling DHS? Is the DPRK going to attack Brookfield?

DeStefano is bringing up the fact that she has rarely gone to DC.

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who thinks these press people should be a little more prepared with their questions. Seems like a lot of casual rambling on their part.

BLINDSPOT said...

Illegal is illegal John....

Genghis Conn said...

The security thing is interesting. Basically, Rell said "it's not our fault."

Genghis Conn said...

Doling out projects... questions about bonding. Rell says she's "held the line" on bonding.

Wait. $400,000 over is holding the line?

Genghis Conn said...

Ooo, saying no to school construction... might not be a good idea.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Every school in the state?

Genghis Conn said...

When did we build this baseball stadium? It sounds nice.

Genghis Conn said...

Now DeStefano is getting into transportation. This is getting away from bonding issues. he's suggesting spending more.

BLINDSPOT said...

Talk about bonding.... has DeStefano forgotten about all the bonding in New Haven alone....

the soon to be moved Long Warf Theater and Gateway Community College, that he had to have moved to the center of New Haven.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I don't know how she talks about the rail cars. They're not here yet. They were supposed to be. It's taken forever.

Genghis Conn said...

Rell is slamming the Dems in the legislature again.

"I'm frugal, and I'm cheap sometimes. But I look out for your best interests."

Anonymous said...

Someone should tell John that there are no trains at Grand Central that go to New Jersey. lol

Genghis Conn said...

Timer mixup.

DeStefano is mentioning the rail cars sitting in the warehouse.

There's I-84. Blaming the governor...

DeStefano: "That's a concept of being frugal that most of us in our homes wouldn't agree with."

Anonymous said...

If Jodi is so cheap, why did she give $20 million to retailer Cabela's? Good lord.

Genghis Conn said...

More property tax relief.

DeStefano: increase the millionaire's tax.

Weirdly, I think DeStefano is actually winning this thing. Rell is not attacking him, she's on the defensive.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

DeStefano is impressive on the property tax issue. It's not a sexy issue at all - but if you have the patience to put your mind around it, it's compelling.

His best answer of the night, by far. Lets see how she responds.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Ah yes! The fuzzy math card!

Genghis Conn said...

Okay, Rell is slamming DeStefano on taxes:

"He's already spent it three times, for three different programs."

"Raising taxes for tax relief."

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I'm suprised it too her almost the full hour to mention New Haven - I thought it'd be one of her themes for the evening.

Genghis Conn said...

DeStefano's response is not bad. But he ran out of time.

Rell says "removing corporate loopholes: that's tax increase on businesses."

What's with this film industry thing?

Genghis Conn said...

Oh, no. Schlesinger. Argh.

Why the hell is this here? Curse you, Davis!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Gov Rell's endorsement in the Senate race is not relevant to this debate.

Anonymous said...

Removing corporate loopholes is taxing businesses?

Rell is Mrs. corporate give-away!

ken krayeske said...

maybe she's aiming to be the governatrix?

Hollywood will sell the votes? Movies as her economic development plan?

Genghis Conn said...

He asked which candidate she supports. The audience groaned.

She split her answer up. She didn't answer at all. Davis was annoyed, tried to pin her down.

DeStefano: "I pray I'll never be in politics that long to give an answer like that."

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

That might have been a turning point.

Genghis Conn said...

DeStefano is changing the subject.

That was a cheap question, Davis. I don't see how it's relevant.

Anonymous said...

Rell's answer to the Senator question was weak, disoriented and disjointed. Another example of Rell's inability to take a firm stance and articulate her position; impressive (and somewhat gutsy) that DeStefano called her on it and flipped the answer back to taxes and education.

ken krayeske said...

If Lamont wins, then dies in a plane crash ala mel carnahan, the governor gets to appoint the replacement. Who would that be?

Bobby McGee said...

Rell froze like a dear in the headlights at the Senator question. Can you blame her? Such an awkward, irrelevant question.

Genghis Conn said...

Mann: What's the biggest mistake?

DeStefano admits that the Long Wharf Mall was the mistake. That's gutsy and honest. Now he's turning it into a rah-rah for New Haven. That's actually pretty good.

Anonymous said...

Based on Rell's response, does that mean each Senate candidate can claim an endorsement?

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

Why was it an irrelevant question? She refuses to support the Republican candidate for US Senate and has pussyfooted around the issue.

PS - her "biggest mistake" answer was a George Bush answer. Didn't even answer it.

Genghis Conn said...

"The mall: not a good idea. But we've had lots of good ones."

Oh, Rell is ducking this question, too. Not good.

Anonymous said...

Well done to recognize UConn's progress. However, the 21st Century program leaves many questions unanswered about oversight and accountability.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

John Rowland used to say that same line to Bill Curry - "Tear down the state down to build themselves up." Same answer.

Jodi's talking about how she's helping families make ends meet - but how can you solve problems when you refuse to acknowledge them?

Genghis Conn said...

DeStefano started slow, but he really has done well in the second part of the debate.

Closing statements.

Anonymous said...

Ohmigod, Rell is George Bush! Asked to name her biggest mistake, she couldn't think of one. (This after she had two minutes to think about it while DeStefano spoke.)

Anonymous said...

No she did NOT just refuse to answer that question. Yeah, she's just like my grandmother -- if my grandmother were a pompous ass with no sense of public policy.

Genghis Conn said...

People halfway across the world are scheming to take our jobs? What?

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I'm with you on that GC - every since that property tax question, he's really been on his game.

Anonymous said...

Did DeStefano just wake up (literally)? He's sounded horse and ill throughout, not he's assuming the role of a great orator - firm and confident.

Genghis Conn said...

She never thought she'd be governor? She did form an exploratory committee for 2002 (before Rowland announced), so she must have at least thought about it.

The Rowland experience, bringing up breast cancer... more mutters from the audience.

Sub base. She's hitting all the high points. CFR, ethics reform, transportation. She's standing on her accomplishments.

Mmmm Jodi Rell said...

I'd say it was a very good debate but John DeStefano came out on top. He just commanded the facts better, was more concise on solutions, and came across very strong on the last half.

Jodi seemed to stumble a bit and seem a little too overanxious to tout her own merits.

John put out a strong appeal for a chance and a choice. He's the winner in this one.

Anonymous said...

WAIT A MINUTE...a saw a Joe commercial before the debate that said he alone saved the subbase. Who's telling the truth?

Anonymous said...

Good God--
Rell is going on about me, me, me. Again as arrogant as Bush!

Anonymous said...

When you're an incumbent, you're sort of forced to talk about me because, well, you're basically on trial and the voters are the jury

CTKnows said...

Wow that went quick, too bad there's just one more debate.

Anonymous said...

I think DeStefano was stronger in the second half. The key is, how many people in this state chose the gubernatorial debate over Monday Night Football and Deal or No Deal?

ken krayeske said...

People Power: let's protest Rell's office - shower her with public outrage until she relents and agrees to at least two more debates with all candidates.

It was her defiance to allow only two debates, and that is irresponsible governing.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Interesting that not once did JDS showcase New Haven as a job well done....there must be a reason.

ken krayeske said...

I've said it once, and I'll say it again - you can't adequately debate the next four years of a $17.5 billion enterprise (technically $60 billion) in under 120 minutes.

People must hold her accountable.

Anonymous said...

Were you listening to the same debate, ACR? As I recall he cited a rejuvenated downtown, drastically cutting high school drop-out rates, college attendance rates that exceed those statewide . . . that doesn't strike you as a job well done?

Gabe said...

Ken - where do you go to school?

Rell is going down said...

I was just going to write the same post Anon. 9:28. ACR must have been on a bathroom break and didn't have TIVO

Genghis Conn said...

My thoughts are posted in full in a new post. There is also a poll there.

ken krayeske said...

quinnipiac u school of law

Anonymous said...

Rell looked sickly. She was caked with makeup.
Is she well?

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

>>that doesn't strike you as a job well done?


Drive through New Haven, but not on I-95 and get away from downtown.

He's opposed to dumping the car tax? Then why is it that both FMCC (Ford) & GMAC have roughly 20% of their leased units to New Haven residents being billed to PO Boxes elsewhere?

I would suspect the same or higher percentage from other fleet operators such as DL Peterson etc. & et al.

JDS continues his attack on minority single mothers with his refusal to cede on that point.

The man has no heart, and I suspect no soul.