Thursday, June 22, 2006

Open Forum

The Courant is getting a new publisher.

Sen. Lieberman to start running "I Saved the Sub Base" ads.

A former Middletown mayor is expected to plead guilty to misusing clients' money today.

And we may not have NHL hockey, but we have a river, and now boats are coming to sail on it. Excitement city.

What else is happening today?

73 comments:

GMR said...

The sub base ad ran on Leno last night. (Channel 30).

TSCowperthwait said...

This is the best that the Lamont campaign could come up with in response to the Lieberman sub base ad:

"Liz Dupont-Diehl, Lamont's campaign spokeswoman, said many people were responsible for keeping the base open. 'Unfortunately Senator Lieberman didn't use his position on the Armed Services Committee to keep it off the list in the first place,' she said."

Perhaps Ms. Dupont-Diehl does not understand how BRAC works. If she did, she would know that the DoD submits a list of proposed closures to Congress.

Gio said...

Crazed Right Wing radio host Brad Davis was pumping Joe this morning, no doubt the war mongers will now be beating down the doors to re-elect Joe.

On another note--one wonders about the Kos, Armstrong, Lamont connection and the growing scandal at DailyKos.

2indaPink said...

I'm drinking a GREAT cup of coffee right now.

BRubenstein said...

actualy the saving of the base was a joint effort of Rell,Legislative leadership and the Congressional Delegation...to take sole credit for saving the base is a lie.

In Joe's ad he doesnt mention the joint effort,therefore the ad is a lie which proves he will resort to anything to keep his seat.

TSCowperthwait said...

BRubenstein, Lieberman not mentioning that the base effort was a joint effort in his ad was not a lie, just a distortion (which all politicians do - including Mr. Lamont). I agree, however, that he should have mentioned that it was a joint effort.

BRubenstein said...

Gio,..please let us know exactly what scandel there is at Kos and your assertion of a Kos,Armstrong and Lamont connection...

BrassTax said...

Gio...I'm new to the blogging world, and don't make any claim to have any inside knowledge, but I can swear I heard Brad Davis make a statement yesterday with regards to his disapproval of the war, or at least the manner in which we entered the war.

I label myself as a moderate, so that any guessing can be avoided. I am of the thought process that the war, and the process by which we entered it was wrong and misleading to all involved (Senate/Congress). That said, we have been engaged with an enemy for quite sometime, and there is no easy way to get out of our predicament. Setting a date for extraction is merely to cut-throat, and as bad as our foriegn relations are now, would make them that much worse.

I do believe that a phased draw-back of troops would be a good idea, but it would have to be coupled with a strategy to allow the Iraqi government to become more involved and accountable for thier well-being. Give them more authority, ability, and let them make thier own mistakes. We can sit back and watch with a close eye from afar, and if needed, be there for support. The concept of us taking the lead in the majority of these war activities needs to stop.

We'll be in the Middle East for a long time...probably a few generations. Just as a point of reference, we just started to withdraw troops from Okinawa...and how long has that war been over?

truth squad said...

Bruce, please see below from tyhe Hartford Courant Article. please try and stick to the facts, jack.

"When they tried to close the sub base at Groton, Joe Lieberman knew it was time to fight. He joined with Sen. Dodd and others to keep the base open," a narrator says. "And that's exactly what happened - saving 31,000 jobs."

BRubenstein said...

Truthsquad..i did stick to the facts when i said that saving the base was a joint effort...see my post above.

The article you cite says that Joementum joined with Dodd and " others" which is exactly what i said..too bad in Lieberman's ad he deliberately distorts the truth and claims sole credit for saving the base.

ctkeith said...

Truthy,

The sub base was on the Brac list 10 yrs previously also.

Why did Lieberman not understand long before the most recent Brac List that it was time to fight?

TSCowperthwait said...

ctkeith,

What previous year was Groton on the BRAC list?

Was Senator Dodd fighting for Groton over the last 10 years? Just curious.

TrueBlueCT said...

Bruce--

The "scandal" that our friendly winger Gio was referring to is not much.

Back during the tech stock craze Kos' blogfather Jerome Armstrong was hyping a penny stock via online message boards. It turns out the company itself was fairly bogus and in the midst of a greater SEC investigation, Jerome was given a slap on the wrist for being a tout.

truth squad said...

Bruce, please read closer. the HC article cites the Narrator in the commercial who is clear tp say that Lieberman worked with Dodd and others. far from taking sole credit.

Gio said...

Another nail in Joe's coffin from the "get out yesterday" crowd---

"Joe didn't save BRAC--no it was Dodd and Rell who saved BRAC--Joe was too busy playing kissy face with W to save BRAC".

As if anti war socialist Ned Lamont would do anything to support our military....

Lamont would happily shut down our military if he could.

BRubenstein said...

truthsquad....YOU need to read closer as i said in the prior posting that his tv AD claims SOLE credit for saving the base when he should have mentioned the joint work of everyone in the tv ad.

TSCowperthwait said...

ctkeith, you can ignore the first part of my prior post - Groton was on the proposed closure list in 1993.

BRubenstein said...

Truthsquad...what i mean is that he should have mentioned by name the other major participants like Rell in the ad in order to be really truthful

BRubenstein said...

Gio...Lamont is a mult-millionaire capitalist whose grandfather was a lion of Wall Street...your dumb attempt to paint him as a Socialist is demeaning,stupid and just wrong on the facts..if you keep up this cheap and stupid line of attack on Lamont then do so but remember that no one will believe it or listen to you. Stck to the facts...

TSCowperthwait said...

BR, now you're just mincing words. If Lieberman gave any credit to others in the ad, then he didn't take sole credit and no one should have a problem. The fact is, he was involved in the effort to keep the base open, whether he led it or was subordinate in it.

I wish I had seen the ad before I made my earlier post. I would not have agreed with you.

BRubenstein said...

TY Trueblue...but what does that all have to do with Lamont as Gio asserts?

Furthermore, read down where Gio acusses Lamont of being a socialist...isnt it a pity that those staffer's like her have to openly lie about a good american like Ned? Imagine if YOU were asked by the campaign to write that?..all for a measly few hundred bucks a week...she would be better off prostituting herself for real money at Foxwoods..

BRubenstein said...

TSC you and I were right the 1st time..the failure of Joementum to fully mention everyone IS deceptive and just wrong...

TSCowperthwait said...

It's only deceptive IF he didn't mention that others were involved. I haven't seen the ad so I can't be sure which way to go here. If he mentioned that others were involved, even if not by name, than he's not being deceptive. If he never mentioned that anyone else was involved than he's being deceptive.

It sounds like he mentioned others (including Dodd by name) and that is in no way deceptive. Was he supposed to list everyone by name who supported keeping the base open?

TSCowperthwait said...

Hypothetically, would Lamont have fought to keep the base open?

Gio said...

Ya--I am sure that freshman Senator Ned Lamont, who advocates pulling out of Iraq, would have really wowed the Pentagon and greatly influenced their decision on BRAC. I mean, after all, what good is a three term Senator who supports the President and the military in these type of decisions???

bluecoat said...

I think the real credit also needs to go to the local citizen coalition that was the brains behind the SOS campaign from the start this time around - and in the past...if somebody has laready recognized them on the blog and I missed it a second time doesn't hurt anything...

bluecoat said...

Huh Gio? what good is a three term Senator who supports the President and the military in these type of decisions Rumsfeld who heads DoD (i.e. the military) works for the President wanted it closed!!!!! BRAC kept it open....and admittedly many past and present of "the miltary" agreed with that decision...

bluecoat said...

I wonder if Schlesinger has a position on the subbase...puhleez

disgruntled_republican said...

OK OK, since we are passing out support to everyone and I havent seen him mentioned no discussion on the subject can take place without mentioning Rob Simmons.

He worked his tail off to save that base and never asked for or took credit as our junior senator has.

Genghis Conn said...

I will give that to Simmons. He did work hard (can't blame him--his job security is tied directly to that base more than any of the other politicians involved), and he's been a lot quieter about it than I thought he'd be.

disgruntled_republican said...

I am not surprised by his quietness on the subject GC. He is very outgoing as we all know but he never really has been one to brag. Sure he does when it happens but after that he doesn't. Besides, his actions speak louder than any words can in regards to the base. That is why he has such great support from the WORKERS at EB and the surrounding area.

bluecoat said...

Agreed on Simmons but he was in BR's "Congressional delegation" and like Joe, Dodd and Rell he was doing his job and got paid - much of the SOS citizen coalition was volunteers who admittedly had a finacial interest in the cause succeeeding...

bluecoat said...

GIo: I am sure you know this judging from your comments but for everybody else the Navy was planning on moving the subs around - to Norfolk and Kings Bay Georgia - it was a bad plan by DoD but there was no reduction in the number of platforms...so you comment about Lamont is irrelevant with regard to overall national defense....and that's why there is BRAC....

Derby Conservative said...

BRubenstein said...
Truthsquad...what i mean is that he should have mentioned by name the other major participants like Rell in the ad in order to be really truthful.

Puh-leaze Bruce, like Lieberman’s going to mention Republicans Rell and Simmons by name in his ad…they’re running for re-election against his fellow Democrats. If he mentions them by name, he’s turning his back on JDS/DM and Courtney. By not naming them, he’s distorting the truth. I don’t plan to vote for Joe or Ned, but give it a rest. You really are unbelievable!

disgruntled_republican said...

bluecoat-

I agree but keep in mind Simmons lives there too and has just as much a vested interest in it. And he was involved the last time too and that was not as a Congressman.

bluecoat said...

yeah OK DG but last time what was he a state rep or a reservist? I don't discount what Simmons does and I was mostly having fun...

Gio said...

The Champ Boat race should be very, very cool. They had one on the River yesterday, loud and fast!!!

Derby Conservative said...

Are you there Bruce?

Gio said...

It was kinda funny though, during the press conference for the Champ Boat, the boat got stuck in the river on a log...which seemed somewhat emblematic of Hartford. But I hope it goes well...those boats are really cool and seeing a whole bunch of them on the River would be something.

bluecoat said...

Dodd and Simmons magnanomously acknowledged everybody for their efforts at the time of the BRAC vote; Joe and Rell did what Joe and Rell did - it's mostly about them....

The Architect said...

Bruce Rubenstein - what a piece of f*cking work.

bluecoat said...

that's a highly developed opinion there Architect; do you go as in depth when you do a program for your clients???

Derby Conservative said...

I love how Dems all think that The Architect is actually an architect! They have no clue!

BRubenstein said...

Derby..sorry..im running in and out of the office today...In my opinion Joe was deceptive in not mentioning by name the other major players ( other then Dodd)..since he already has a very chummy relationship with the Republican congressional delegation and Rell it would have been more realistic to name them rather then trying to make believe they didnt do much and that he barely recognizes their existance...which i find hilarious.

The Architect said...

Why don't you take the stick out of your ass there and laugh a little bluecoat, or is this blog all you have in the world?

disgruntled_republican said...

BR -

So if Chris Dodd was running instead of Joe included "his friend Joe, Our Governor Jodi Rell and Congressman Rob Simmons" in his ad, you see no issue with it? I respect your opinion Bruce but if you tell me you wouldn't see this as a problem I gotta tell you that you are full of crap.

You as a veteran of politics well know that is a cardinal rule you don;t break.

Chris MC said...

I don't think the Architect is an Architect, so, that's one (D). ;-)

"...what a piece of f*cking work."
"...take the stick out of your ass and laugh a little..."

LOL, Architect.

bluecoat, you DeStefano staffer you, why don't you follow your pal Bruce's self-righteous lead and post under your true identity?

disgruntled_republican said...

This boat thing does sound cool...hopefully they will have a nice new hotel they can sleep in without crossing picket lines!!!

bluecoat said...

I am not a Democrat; nor am I a JDS staffer or anybody's staffer; and I don't have a stick up my ass; I screw around on this blog in my retirement right now when the weather is crappy out; and DErby Conservative i left you a question on an ealrier thread you may have missed: now that garafalo is gone did Staffeirri doing anything about dumping Cerruzzi as the preferred develpoer in Derby; his stuff is junk we have a bunch that Flatto enabled him, Lenoci and Willinger to do here in fairfield - he's big fairy tale, quick buck, low end in and out doing little for the community in return...

bluecoat said...

Oh Chris; I don't know BR and only know who he is from this blog and I don't know who you are either except that I think you are from Newtown and a DLCer who likes the minumum wage and wants universal healthcare - whatever that is. Sometimes I think you and BR are right and someimes I disagree; way back when I first posted here and only knew how to do it anonomously you liked what I had to say and suggested I get a consistent handle so I evnetually did; i have evolved a couple of times with the handle so to speak until I came up with this and I can't even remember how - i think becasue it was easy to type...so get off the conspiracy theory why don't you??ndoo

Chris MC said...

Sure, sure bluecoat. The weather is just crappy out. That's all. And you have nothing to hide, you aren't supporting anybody, that is why you post under a pseudonym. Give us a break.

Chris MC said...

You probably work for LaRouche bluecoat.

bluecoat said...

your like a Rovian republican there Chris MC with your crap...

Derby Conservative said...

BC-

Didn’t see your question on the other blog. I believe that Staffieri has kept Ceruzzi around only because they were legally bound by contract and so far into the process that it would have made no sense to switch canoes mid-stream. That said, Ceruzzi has brought in Street Works LLC to provide the design for the project. They are the people who designed Blue Back Square (not trying to start a debate there W. Hartforders) as well as Annapolis City Center and a few other very nice projects. Mr. Staffieri, whom I agree with about 90% of the time, was a tradesman before evolving into a pretty shrewd businessman. He seems to have a good handle on the project and definitely won’t let Ceruzzi get away with any shoddy workmanship or other shenanigans.

bluecoat said...

DC: the finacials of the Blueback square are nonsense and I am sure that's not what you wnated to discuss; i haven't seen the BBS deisgns upclose but I am not impressed and I think there is a difference between the several decade historic restoration of Annapolis and the project of what you speak...but if you are bound by contract, which I thought Cerruzzi had broken years ago, good luck...he doesn't contribute to the community just the pols,,,,

connpolitico said...

I see Lieberman is stiffing the Democratic Party again on the war. We need Lamont more than ever. I wonder what Chris Murphy, Dianne Farrel, and Joe Courtney plan to do regarding a formal endorsement of Lamont? We have the momentum with Ned, but we need their help!

Chris MC said...

bluecoat -
get the stick out of your behind and a clue

you DeStefano staffer you

bluecoat said...

Like I said CMC, I have nothing to do with JDS or BR - never met either of them - and hurling your nonsnense at an unaffiliated retired voter and blogger will do you and your cause zero good. I have never pulled a lever in an election because I some birdbrain tried to intimidate me....and I gues maybe we'll not be pulling levers this time round if Susan B. gets her shit togehter..right!!!!

disgruntled_republican said...

bluecoat-

Might I suggest you ignore that fool instead of engaging him.

Mr X said...

Dan Malloy is going to win the Gubernatorial Primary on August 8th. I truly believe he can get our State Government back on track when he is elected in November.

I believe eventually the Lovefest that Jodi Rell has been having since she took office with the media will come to a screeching halt once the primary is over and once we are into the actual Campaign Season It is a whole new ballgame.

BRubenstein said...

Bluecoat...please please i just had lunch and almost lost it when i saw you equate me to Chris Mc...first of all..im a leftist and former state party official who has actually run or had senior operative roles in a campaign while Chris is just a hanger-on and a gasbag pimpimg malloy and Lieberman upon the unweary.

Now you made me take pepto bismol for my upset stomach...

Derby Conservative said...

sgt bilko's comments confirm that he is the lame remake Steve Martin SB and not the good original Phil Silvers SB!

bluecoat said...

DG: I was just doing my best to help out with the younger generation and it's fun to watch him expose himself - and actually it's not really for his benefit - he's a backer of Farrell, Joe and Malloy who I happen to have discovered are phonies; in it for the wrong reasons like Bill's Hillary... ...

BRubenstein said...

Disgruntled...i know the rules and of course you are right in that its a problem. I merely know its deceptive for him to not mention the others by name...

Chris MC said...

Oh, sure, bluecoat, look for some common ground.

You DeStefano staffer, LaRouche employee, GWB cultmember you. ;-)

And there he is now, the waster of bandwidth and pixels extraordinaire, erstwhile political operative turned nearly full time gasbag DeStefano hack, uber bruce!

disgruntled_republican said...

Bruce-

Left some comments for you earlier...

bluecoat said...

BR: I wasn't equating you to Chris at all - except that you are both equal human beings and in that regard only did I take a short cut. My sincere apologies; I'd remove the post but it's too long...

bluecoat said...

I think Chis maybe trying to be funny???

Chris MC said...

Kinda. See the other thread.

BRubenstein said...

Disgruntled..i saw your comments and as always they are logical and on the money...you sure you arent a hidden democrat with such a good political mind?

BRubenstein said...

Dear Republican State Central...In consideration of $100 and other valuable consideration will you agree to exchange political registrations of Chris as an R and Disgruntled as a D...i assure you that WE will be getting the better of the bargain...

TSCowperthwait said...

Request Denied.

Republican State Central Committee.

disgruntled_republican said...

LOL...thanks guys. You are making me blush...