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Sunday, June 18, 2006

N.H. Register: Senate Primary Could "Hurt All Democrats"

The New Haven Register posted this editorial today (tip of the hat to CommonSenseDem--as a rule, I don't read the papers that make me jump through annoying hoops like the Register does) defending Joe Lieberman on the premise that a primary threat jeopardizes a "safe" Senate seat. The salient points:
The insurgent strategy suffers from two major flaws. First, in potentially putting a safe Democratic seat in play for Republicans, it is extraordinarily short-sighted. Second, it rests on a faulty premise about Lieberman’s record in adhering to core Democratic principles in his voting and his advocacy.

The strategy contrasts sharply with how Pennsylvania Democrats are treating a similar situation. There, Democrats rallied around state Treasurer Bob Casey in his quest to unseat Republican Rick Santorum, the incumbent U.S. Senator — even though Casey’s pro-life position on abortion puts him on the wrong side of a core Democratic issue. (Haas)

The Pennsylvania situation is very different, however, in that Pennsylvania Democrats have chosen the best candidate to defeat an entrenched incumbent. In this case, there is no strong Republican alternative. Alan Schlesinger has yet to catch fire, although he may be waiting for the outcome of the Lieberman-Lamont fight. Most observers don't think that there is much of a chance of the seat swictching from one party to the next, especially if Republican voters stay home.

Then again, it may be worth asking what the consequences of a Lamont victory would actually be. Would the party unify behind him? Or break apart?

Source

Haas, Lawrence J. "Challenge to Lieberman could hurt all Democrats." New Haven Register 18 June, 2006.

32 Comments:

Blogger BRubenstein said...

the editorial is crap...having gone this far there is no turning back for the Lamont folks..in fact i think he will win.

The editorial folks have a point but the numbers dont support Schlesinger wining...not even the great Dick Foley can breathe life into him.

6/18/2006 11:54:00 PM  
Blogger Chris MC said...

However, (as I think I posted some time ago) if we were to lose the seat, the Lamontites would pretty much have to do a Jonestown.

Can you imagine? We come up with Schlesinger as the 50th or 51st Republican Senator? My God.

6/19/2006 12:34:00 AM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

actually if lieberman goes he may take the conservative d's with him

6/19/2006 01:34:00 AM  
Blogger TrueBlueCT said...

If Lamont wins the primary, he wins the general. Honestly, Ned appeals across the spectrum.

However, ir Joe cuts and runs and makes this a three-way race in November, it is Joe, and Joe alone that risks a safe Dem Senate seat.

Frankly, if Lieberman gave two shits about the Party, he would commit to our Primary. That he hasn't reflects completely on Joe's character, and no one else's. How on Earth can anyone blame Lamont for participating in our electoral processes? When Joe Lieberman has obviously earned this Primary.

6/19/2006 01:49:00 AM  
Blogger LitchfieldAngelina said...

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6/19/2006 01:51:00 AM  
Blogger TrueBlueCT said...

For the record, Lawrence Haas is a member of the Committee on the Present Danger, --the bi-partisan, Neo-Con group of which Lieberman is also a member.

Take Note.

6/19/2006 01:58:00 AM  
Blogger MikeCT said...

Nothing new in his Haas' arguments, which were probably ghost-authored by Lieberman's staff. Same old campaign defense that hasn't worked. My favorite argument:

If so, they better be prepared for the potential consequences — a new Republican Senator who votes with President Bush on not just the war but everything else, and a Senate that remains in Republican hands and continues to pursue an agenda that Democrats find so toxic.

So Democrats who stand up for Democratic principles and represent their base are doomed to failure. Let Lieberman run on that argument.

Also entertained by his reference to endorsements by women's groups (What women's groups? NOW endorsed Lamont and NARAL leaders are backing him as well.) and gay groups (HRC, a group with no CT presence endorsed him and other conservatives and experienced a national backlash among its members as a result, with members publicly quitting and one withdrawing a $1 million contribution; they also contributed generously to Nancy Johnson; meanwhile the leader of Love Makes a Family, the most prominent CT group, endorsed Lamont).

6/19/2006 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger Brassett said...

Like it or not, this is the only argument Lieberman can make that gives him a chance of winning the primary.

6/19/2006 08:08:00 AM  
Blogger barrygoldwaterlives said...

TrueBlueCT said...
If Lamont wins the primary, he wins the general. Honestly, Ned appeals across the spectrum.


Your spectrum must not include Republicans or other conservatives...and based on soem of your posts, I have no doubt that you don't consider us huimans much less valid voters. Anywho...if you actually believe that Lamont has broad appeal across the board, then I want a hit of whatever it is you're smoking.

6/19/2006 08:22:00 AM  
Blogger Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Chris MC said... "
However, (as I think I posted some time ago) if we were to lose the seat, the Lamontites would pretty much have to do a Jonestown."


They already appear to be koolaid drinkers to me.

-ACR

6/19/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger turfgrrl said...

Ofcourse its worse for the Democrats running for congress if Lamont wins the primary. The November election is all about turnout, and Lieberman pulls plenty of U's over to the Democratic line. WIthout that, Farrell, Murphy and Courtney lose some percentage, more for some because of the district they are in.

But I don't think Lamont is going to win the primary. There's one thing that is very true about the anti-war crowd is that they scare off there own supporters. Iowa in 2004 is a good example of that effect. Howard Dean led the polls even, but when it came time to vote, the constant drum beat of the supporters just turned off voters. You can see it happening already here in Connecticut. Lamont had to kick in another $500k of his own money into his campaign. He's not raising enough interest from the voters in the state that see him as anything but the front man to the anti-war fringe of the democratic party.

6/19/2006 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger disgruntled_republican said...

turfgrrl-

Normally I would agree with you on the primary winner but I have the feeling Ned is going to win. His campaign is doing everything right and Joe's is doing everything wrong.

For example, I must have heard Lamont's radio commercial 25 times this weekend on numerous AM and FM channels and nothing from Joe. The message is tasteful but hard hitting but above all it is helping his name recognition. Then Joe comes out with the bear ad...BAD MOVE! All his ads have been negative for the most part.

As an incumbant and "front-runner" he should be taking the high road but instead he is going negative all the time. He looks scared folks and that ain't good for him. However, as I have said before, as a Republican who does NOT like Joe, I am loving this!! Makes him look worse and worse everytime an ad airs...bring on a 3-way race folks...bring it on!

And even if we don;t win that race, we will win others I guaruntee it...divide and conquer...this race has divided the Democrats and with that it is time to conquer!

Cheers

6/19/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger I'm Not Harry Reid said...

Looks like Lieberman is going to stay in the primary AND go the petition route. Story here.

6/19/2006 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Chris MC said...

"I will be in the Democratic primary. I've been a Democrat all my life," he said this morning.
[...]
"If the unexpected happened, do I want to keep open the option of taking my case as an independent Democrat to all the voters of Connecticut so that they can have the last word in November?" Lieberman said. That's an unanswered question, he said.
[emphasis added]

Pazniokas' piece is incongruous with this quotation, as if he already had it written before hand and just plugged the quote into it.

Lieberman's slightly modified statement confirms the assessment made by myself and others when this "Lieberman is going to jump ship" rumor started a few months ago. I would prefer that he abandon this SOP answer for a black and white stand that he is going to show Ned who is wearing the pants around here. But this flattens that particular wing of the rumor mill, far as I am concerned.

6/19/2006 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger turfgrrl said...

disgruntled_republican,

What passes for a campaign right now is largely a shadow one. Despite the fast and furious blogsphere, and people who make a living in punditry, no one knows there is a primary going on. And negative campaigning depresses turnout. Granted, the Lieberman campaign does seem flat and defensive. But I have a hunch that they'll get out enough voters.

6/19/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Turfgrrl..."hunches" dont win primaries...good execution of a field plan does along with getting out the prime voters...i went through the numbers in a prior post as too how Lamont can win...get your head out of the sand.

6/19/2006 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger cgg said...

Turfgrrl, That's not been my experience. I get so many comments about my Lamont bumper sticker. People have heard of Ned, and they want to know more. This weekend I had a tag sale and several people commented or asked questions about Ned based on the tiny little bumper sticker on the back of the car.

It's not just the blogs talking about Lamont. He's getting coverage in mainstream media outlets too.

I also disagree about turnout. Why turn out for an incumbant whom you're not that crazy about? Lamont may just inspire more Democrats to come to the polls than ever would have were Lieberman running unchallenged.

6/19/2006 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Aldon Hynes said...

I don't know. I just can't buy the 'democracy is bad for Democrats' agruement. Next thing you know, they'll start comparing people who support primaries to terrorists.

6/19/2006 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

LitchfieldAngelina already equates liberals with being anti-american so i guess we will be equated as terriorists next by extremists like her,Bilko,A Diff Anon and others

6/19/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Blogger cgg said...

Next thing you know, they'll start comparing people who support primaries to terrorists.


The word Jihad has already been used.

6/19/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger A Different Anonymous (No! Really!) said...

Hey now, BR, that's hurtful. And after all those nice things you said about me on Friday ...

6/19/2006 01:55:00 PM  
Blogger Mr X said...

BR...Continues to think he is the god of the blog!!!!!

Well you must be proud of your pal Ned Lamont's Coronation by Lowell Weicker(Mr Income Tax and Now Mr Anti War)We will see If Weicker's backing is a blessing or a curse come primary day.

To all the bloggers who keep getting attacked by BR..... Keep up the Good Fight!!!!! We cant let him boss us around.

6/19/2006 02:10:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

A DIFF ANON...sorry..you arent an extremist...you are a fellow traveler..

6/19/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger turfgrrl said...

brubenstein,

Opinion doesn't win primaries either, and all you've done is expressed yours, as I have expressed mine. We'll see whose opinion is validated on August 8th.

cgg,

People used to ask question about Jack Orchulli bumper stickers too.

6/19/2006 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

Turfgrrl...i backed my opinions up with facts,numbers and past political history....you backed yours up with nothing..therein lies the essential difference between you and I.

6/19/2006 06:46:00 PM  
Blogger Mr X said...

BR....Don't you have anything better to do than intimidate and trash talk everyone who has a differing viewpoint on this blog.

You keep saying you have all this experience and yet what comes out of your mouth is nothing but insults and imtimidation Maybe as I have said several times already If you allow others to speak and present their view and then you disagree with them it would carry a lot more weight rather than taking shots with insults right off the bat.

6/19/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Blogger turfgrrl said...

brubenstein,

All you've demonstrated to me is that you somehow think your paint-by-numbers opinions are VERY important. I've seen people on the discovery channel who think they've been abducted by aliens who have more believable theories than yours.

6/19/2006 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger Mr X said...

The Blog's name is going to be changed from Connecticut Local Politics to the Bruce Rubenstein Show.LOL

6/19/2006 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger BRubenstein said...

turfgrrl and Dumb Peskie and Sgt Dildo....3 republican peas in a pod..

6/19/2006 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger Genghis Conn said...

Of course, THAT sort of name calling doesn't help, either.

6/19/2006 11:24:00 PM  
Blogger turfgrrl said...

brubenstein,

Funny how you always resort to name calling when you can't defend your arguments. Does that work in court?

6/20/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger Mr X said...

Turfgrll... BR is always here criticizing everyone so when does he have time to go to court. I am sure DeStefano and Slifka will find him a State Job if they somehow win the primary.

6/20/2006 07:37:00 PM  

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