Friday, September 01, 2006

Dodd Makes a List

In recent months, whenever a list of possible presidential candidates is compiled, Sen. Chris Dodd's name has been left off it. Not any more. National Journal's rankings put Dodd in "the rest" category instead of the top 5, but at least he's there. Here's what they say:
Every time Dodd is ready to make a national leap, a guy named Joe Lieberman tosses up a hurdle. In '96, Dodd was the one salvaging the DNC and helping President Clinton. Then Lieberman critiques Clinton and ends up the VP nominee. This year, Dodd's ready to try a WH bid -- and Lieberman leaves the party, causing Dodd local heartburn while he courts liberals.
I wonder if Dodd sees it that way?

Source
"White House 2008 Race Rankings." National Journal (online) 1 September, 2006.

21 comments:

The True Gentleman said...

Genghis, I'd pay to watch a McCain-Clinton debate in October 2008. (Or you could substitute Guiliani for McCain if necessary).

bluecoat said...

My money is on the Hagel-Kerry long shot but we'll see. I was calling the Kerry Democratice Primary win the day he entered and people were saying no way. Next time around he'll fight back against O'Neil and Company - he learned his lesson that it doesn't pay to be a gentlemen in politics when you're up against a spin machine with no moral compass other than a stiff piss in the wind..

GMR said...

I think Mitt Romney may surprise a lot of people on the Republican side. Especially now that Allen is damaged goods.

The True Gentleman said...

GMR, southern conservatives will not pick Mitt Romney. (They are having a hard enough time accepting that Rudy Guiliani is a real possibility).

bluecoat said...

Romney is more likely to appeal to the south than Guiliani, who at the end of the day won't appeal to the north anymore than Pataki, because as I recall Romney would like to see Roe and Griswold overturned while Guiliani does not - could be wrong on that though.

The True Gentleman said...

Good point, Bluecoat. I was thinking of it only in terms of national security issues.

bluecoat said...

If you want to know about Giuliani and national security, a good source is the recent book by Keane and Hamilton of the 911 Commission and how they went lightly on the questioning in NYC because emortions were still riding high. Under Guiliani's watch the cities emergency service command center was palce in the WTC against I believe eith Ray Kelly's or Bill Bratton's recommendation. Guiliani didn't like tough cops that talked back to him honestly on matters of security because he thought he knew it all as a former US Attorney so he brought in Bernie Kerik who was known basically as his lap dog by aqnyone who followed NYC happenings - until the horrible day of 11 September 2001 but Kerik in the spotlight. I guess you know Kerik has recently pleaded guilty to criminal wrongdoing related to corruption while in office... and Rudy dumped him from his consulting firm after Bush was embarrased during his short stint in the ring as a contender for Secretayr of HS.

Anonymous said...

TG - I have doubted Rudy's appeal with the social conservatives and anyone south of the Mason Dixon line until I talked to a well known national political pollster (who does not work for Rudy). His polling showed that Rudy was far more popular in the south than even he had imagined. The overriding issue, which you correctly noted above, was national security. Republicans, even Southern social conservatives, will work like heck for Rudy (if he wins the primary) because they will not want Hillary.

Anonymous said...

bc - Hagel has no shot. He is seen as McCain's understudy and there is no way he can win a nomination when McCain is in the race.

Anonymous said...

bc - As for the Ds, I think Gore has a better shot then Kerry.

I would love to see a Gore-Clinton debate!

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

bluecoat said...
as I recall Romney would like to see Roe and Griswold overturned while Guiliani does not - could be wrong on that though.


You got it right; however you miss one key point.
Not everyone that wants to see Roe overturned is anti-choice.

I'm as pro-choice as they come; but that won't make Roe good law.

Authentic Connecticut Republican said...

Anonymous (9:23 PM)said...
...conservatives, will work like heck for Rudy (if he wins the primary) because they will not want Hillary.


He's so lousy, he makes her look good.

Given the choice I'd vote for Hillary before he saw my vote.

cgg said...

Rudy Giuliani would not survive the Republican primary season. There's just to much dirt available for his opponents to go after. Bernard Kerik alone should have been enough to sink any presidential aspirations Giuliani may have had.

Anonymous said...

CGG, think New Orelans would have sank if Kerik was running Homeland Security

Screwing around and stiffing contractors are sorta irrelevant when lives are at stake, or has everyone else retreated to the 9/10 world?

cgg said...

You mean if Bernard Kerik ran the Army Corp of Engineers?

Kerik was good for NY because he wasn't Howard Safire. By the time he came along that was pretty much the only requirement. He wasn't a great police commissioner, just better than the last guy that held the job. Much like our mayor at the time he was a hero by accident. I tend to think of him as a place holder.

As for a 9/10 world, NY was my home at the time. There are some things you never forget. But that doesn't mean I'm going to rewrite history about what happend.

Giuliani is probably the least offensive person that Republicans could run. I wouldn't vote for him, but he'd be better than a President Frist any day. But the reality is that he isn't likely to survive the primary. There's just to much mud for his opponents to throw at him, and we all know they will.

bluecoat said...

cgg: I am not sure of your point; what I was trying to point out is that before the 911 catastrophe Guiliani made a horrible decsion to put the emergency command center in the prime terror target -the WTC. Communications were critical to saving lives and had he not made that decision, many beleive more would have been saved. Guiliani did not surround himself with good people - even Dinkins did better.

Anonymous said...

CGG, we know Kerik would've gotten a great deal from the contractors if he negotiated the way he did on his condo

I think the pendulum is swinging even in the red states away from faith based Republicans. as the moderate won the primary to replace Frist

GMR said...

His polling showed that Rudy was far more popular in the south than even he had imagined. The overriding issue, which you correctly noted above, was national security.

While many people may think that Guiliani's position on gays and abortion will hurt him in the south, I think the big issue is actually guns. He is very pro gun control, and this will hurt him in rural districts in which gun ownership is quite high. Liberals from the cities and suburban districts have gotten burned on this issue time and time again, and Rudy's position is not the mainstream position in these districts.

cgg said...

Bluecoat: I was responding to Anonymous 8:51. I always forget to mention whom I responding too!

Giuliani's moronic decision about where to locate the command center did cost lives, and in fact almost cost him his own. The lack of coordination between the FDNY and NYPD didn't help matters, as well as the fact that FD still had faulty radios.

I think people often don't realize that there is a limited amount of impact a political appointee in charge can have, especially someone like Kerik who hadn't had the job very long. The infastructure depends largely on the professionals who rose up through the ranks.

bluecoat said...

cgg: there's a book just out from Hamilton and Keane that I can't seem to Google up but in gets into all that which you are obviously aware of. I watched Kerik's public testimony before the 911 Commission and I thought it was totally inappropriate from the top Commssioner. I think most folks are glad that Kelly is back - and he was Under Secy of Tresury/ Secret Service for Clinton - and doing whathe is doing with Bloomberg as his boss. I guess you remember the Bromx cheere Shays got when he warned folks to basically stay clear of the big apple on rockin' New Years Eve - a boneheaded move if there ever was one and that kid of confirmed what I knew that Shays really isn't in the loop as mch as some would like us to beleive. He's a bulldog, not a pointer as I have said in the past and this was way to big for his background but he's getting better..

cgg said...

Bluecoat: I haven't read the newer book, but I did read the original Commission Report. Eventually I will probably get around to the latest as well.

I had no idea about Shays though.