Monday, June 26, 2006

This Deserves it's Own Thread

The latest Lamont ad is posted here.

And here via a campaign press release is Lieberman's response.

Statement from Marion Steinfels on the Lieberman Campaign’s reaction to Negative Ned’s Latest Smear Tactics:

“Ned Lamont’s smear tactics hit a new low today with this vicious attack on Sen. Lieberman. Ned’s army of consultants he hired to run his campaign -from former Republican Party Chair, Tom D’Amore to Bill Hillsman- who have spent years working to defeat Democrats, are at it again.”

HERE ARE THE FACTS ON BILL HILLSMAN:

Hillsman worked to defeat Al Gore and Joe Lieberman in 2000.

Hillsman campaigned against Bill Clinton in 1992.

Hillsman tried to defeat Senator Barack Obama by working for a Republican.

Hillsman tried to defeat Tim Kaine in the 2005 Virginia Governor’s race.

Hillsman defeated Democrat Skip Humphrey in Minnesota in 1998.

Hillsman is currently working to defeat Democrats in the Massachusetts Governor’s race.

Hillsman is currently working to defeat Democrats in Texas.

Hillsman campaigned against Democrats in the California recall election for Governor in 2003.

HERE ARE THE FACTS ON JOE LIEBERMAN:

Joe Lieberman has been a scathing critic of the Bush Administration.

Joe Lieberman is the only person in the United States of America who ran against George W. Bush twice, and beat him once.

Lieberman criticized the Bush administration before the war started and after it began.

Lieberman harshly criticized the Bush Administration for being unprepared for the post war situation in Iraq.

Lieberman condemned Bush for Releasing the Name of Valerie Plame.

Joe Lieberman Opposed the 2001 and 2003 Bush Tax Cuts and Opposed Making them permanent.

Joe Lieberman Led the Fight Against the Bush Administration Attempt to Open ANWR to Oil Drilling.

Joe Lieberman Opposes Bush’s Attempts to Pack the Court with Right-Wing Ideologues, including Miguel Estrada and Dennis Shedd.

Joe Lieberman Opposed Bush’s Most Egregious Nominations.

Joe Lieberman OPPOSED the Nomination of Samuel Alito to the US Supreme Court.

Joe Lieberman Opposed the Bush Medicare Drug Debacle, calling it “indefensible”.


I love the new ad, and frankly I'm loving the response to it. The Lieberman campaign seems to have lost their minds. It gets weirder every day. This press release even tops the bear ad.

Sources

Tagris, Tim. "New Ad: Look Who's Talking - George Bush or Joe Lieberman?". Official Ned Lamont for U.S. Senate Campaign Blog. 6/26/06

Steinfels, Marion. "Statement from Marion Steinfels on the Lieberman Campaign's reaction to Negative Ned's Latest Smear Tactics:". Official Lieberman Press Release. 6/26/06

28 comments:

BRubenstein said...

GC..only a desperate man would put out a piece like that...i laughed for 15 minutes when i read it...there are more un-truth's to his response then sightings of alien's in ROswell, Arizona

HealthcareNOW said...

Wait, so Hillsman worked AGAINST Obama? Did the guy work for Alan Keyes?

If he did, I lose a lot of respect for him.

CT Bob said...

Hillsman was also instrumental in helping one of the greatest liberal Democrat Senators of all time get elected, Paul Wellstone.

Does that make up for it?

Hillsman is an ad-man. Not a public figure.

HealthcareNOW said...

Yeah, I mean Wellstone is awesome, that's where I know him from, and working for Nader is not a crime - history will be much more kind to him.

But Alan Keyes man...I hate him with a passion...I just don't understand why.

cgg said...

I can't figure out who Hillsman worked with who was running agains Obama. My guess is that if it's anyone it would have been Jack Ryan, but I don't know for sure.

CT Bob said...

Basically, an ad-man is in a profession like the law.

An attorney will take a case even though he may think his client is guilty, simply because everyone deserves a chance to get the best representation they can.

I'm sure it makes it easier if you agree philosophically with your client, but it's not necessarily a requisite before you'll sign on.

cgg said...

Hillsman worked for Jack Ryan, not Alan Keyes. Info from an interview in Mother Jones.

HealthcareNOW said...

Ok, that's a little better...

TrueBlueCT said...

Joe Lieberman has been a scathing critic of the Bush Administration.

Is that a Lie?

TrueBlueCT said...

Joe Lieberman Opposes Bush’s Attempts to Pack the Court with Right-Wing Ideologues, including Miguel Estrada and Dennis Shedd.

Is that another Lie?

BRubenstein said...

trueblue...they..are lies

TrueBlueCT said...

Joe Lieberman is the only person in the United States of America who ran against George W. Bush twice, and beat him once.

Sore Loserman? Am I mistaken, or was it Kerry who ran against Bush in 2004?

TrueBlueCT said...

Joe Lieberman Opposed Bush’s Most Egregious Nominations.

Like Attorney General Alberto "Torture is Legal" Gonzales? (who Joe voted for as one of a small group of Democrats, the rest of whom were facing upcoming elections, in Red States.)

TrueBlueCT said...

Joe Lieberman OPPOSED the Nomination of Samuel Alito to the US Supreme Court.

Did I miss something, or did Joe fail to join Hillary, Kerry & Dodd in filibustering Alito?

TrueBlueCT said...

Each of Joe's lies deserves it's own thread.

What is really a shame is that Joe refuses to hold any public forums. I'd really like to ask him about these claims myself.

ctkeith said...

Who said Dead Cats don't Bounce,LOL

Joe will more than likely get the votes he needs tomorrow just like he did at the Convention and then 90% of the same people who were ordered to vote for him will on Aug. 8th enjoy voting for Lamont when they're protected by the Secret ballot.

Just ask Stan,His numbers have been telling Lieberman he can't win for almost 2 weeks now.

turfgrrl said...

killer bees --

1. Who really authored the "torture memo"?

A. Assitant Attorney General John Yoo. The memo.. Lieberman, said that the standard for treatment of alien detainees should be that: "No prisoner shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment that is prohibited by the Constitution, laws or treaties of the United States."

The White House decided it's interpretation was valid. So, law makers needed to craft a tighter law, leaving less up to interpretation. In order to challenge the White House on it's interpretation of the law, Lieberman:

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) sought to attach an amendment to the intelligence reform legislation last fall specifying that "no prisoner shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment that is prohibited by the Constitution, laws or treaties of the United States." The Senate adopted the provision unanimously. Later, however, it was stripped from the bill at the request of the White House.The Washington PostA Degrading Policy,Wednesday, January 26, 2005; Page A20.

See, in the Senate, you have these things called bills that you vote on for them to become law. See here for more information about the process.

turfgrrl said...

Killer bees-- better hire a fact checker because Lieberman voted against Alito. Lieberman (D-CT), Nay and Dodd (D-CT), Nay. In a blind vote test, could you tell the difference in that vote?

MikeCT said...

turfgrrl,
And as you know, Lieberman voted with the Republicans to cut off debate on Alito, earning him the condemnation of women's groups. Please.

TrueBlueCT said...

Turfgirl--
Why do you support Joe Lieberman?

turfgrrl said...

MikeCT said... As you know only 25 Senators voted for the filibuster. There weren't enough votes to even make it close, and it was a last minute attempt by Senator Kerry to make it happen, even though he was in Davos.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader, sounded almost apologetic about Mr. Kerry's statements.

"No one can complain on this matter that there hasn't been sufficient time to talk about Judge Alito, pro and con," Mr. Reid said on the Senate floor. "I hope that this matter will be resolved without too much more talking."

And on Friday, Senator Joseph Biden, a Delaware Democrat and member of the Judiciary Committee who voted against Mr. Alito there, said he would not support a filibuster and doubted one would happen.

Speaking in a televised interview on CNN, Mr. Biden said that he thought the Republicans would inevitably force a decision, so Democrats should use their votes to "make a statement" without seeking a delay.

Mr. Kerry's call for a filibuster, an effort to stop confirmation by refusing to close debate and hold a vote, was joined by his fellow Democratic senator from Massachusetts, Edward M. Kennedy.

Under Senate procedures, their objections blocked the Senate Democratic and Republican leaders from setting Tuesday as the date for a vote on confirmation.

Instead, the Senate will vote Monday on whether to close debate. Sixty votes are required for a full Senate vote on Judge Alito. More than 60 senators have already pledged to support him, and the leaders of both parties said they expected to hold the full vote on Tuesday.

Mr. Kerry offered an explanation for his position in a post on a liberal blog, the Daily Kos.

"People can say all they want that 'elections have consequences,' " he wrote. "Trust me, more than anyone I understand that. But that seems like an awfully convoluted rationale for me to stay silent about Judge Alito's nomination."


NYTIMESKerry Gets Cool Response to Call to Filibuster Alito, By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK, Published: January 27, 2006

It would seem that once again, a Daily Kos Talking Point gets exposed.

MikeCT said...

Omigod, there are numerous other Senate Dems who are as gutless and unprincipled as Joe! Exposed!

You have to be a real "moderate" to revel in this stuff.

BRubenstein said...

I dont mind Turfgrrl supporting Joementum, but when she has to knowingly lie and take license with the truth is when she has lost ALL credibility...i suggest she resign as a poster...its just tooo much when she said Joe voted against ALito when we all know in the first vote against Alito that Joementum voted with the Republicans to cut off debate against him....Turfgrrl...please dont insult our intelligence anymore..i really dont want to see such blatant falsehoods anymore..most of the Republicans in here i may not agree with..but at least THEY are honorable.

TrueBlueCT said...

Turfgirl is a tool of the Lieberman campaign. What is telling is that she won't even publicly own her allegiance to him. Is she even a Democrat? Or is she another Republican that loves Joe?

turfgrrl said...

killer bees -- Better face facts. The Democrats didn't have the votes to kill the Alito nomination, filibuster the Alito nomination or stop the cloture vote. 25 Senators is not a majority. Senator Lieberman voted against the confirmation of Alito. Stop following the Daily Kos talking points and think through this simple math problem. You do remember Bill Frist trying to change the parliamentary rules of the Senate by a simple majority right? You do realize that the Democrats don't have a majority right? You may want to investigate why the issues of filibuster and cloture were in play to begin with. Meet the gang of 14, protecting the last remnants of oversight of the executive branch so that the fight against Bush could go on another day.

tiresias216 said...

Bzzz

Maybe I am just being silly, but I swear Joe keeps touting his saving the sub base as one of his main talking points. Yet, I found this little vote quite interesting: Vote to stop domestic base closings til 2007

Seems Chris Dodd thought it was a good idea, but then again, maybe Joe knew that putting the base further in peril would make him look like even more of a hero later.

tiresias216 said...

Also, I find the defense of Alberto Gonzalez quite amusing too. While it is true he did not write the memo on torture, he did sign off on it, and used it to help justify that the Geneva Conventions need not apply to "enemy combatants" which made up Al Qaeda and the Taliban See Memo Here(who, under the status quo, could remain in prison without a trial quite literally til they die).

For a wonderful overview of the whole debacle, I suggest reading this link

Joe and I obviously have differing tastes in torture law.

Don Pesci said...

Since we are mentioning Harry Reid -- the real one -- it may be proper to note that the new Lamont ad is a clever and amusing parody showing Sen. Joe Lieberman morphing into President George Bush. The voices and images of the two men are Transposed, so that Bush appears to be Lieberman and Lieberman appears to be Bush. The ad reinforces a Lamont message that Lieberman and Bush are simpatico -- to the point of identity, a notion that might surprise the two men’s wives, not to mention the two most respected rating agencies that show Lieberman is more progressive than Bush on a host of issues.

But FBI informants such as BRubenstein, who has graced the Connecticut Local Politics blog with his huffings and puffings, may view the ad with alarm. There is no doubt the ad is intended to confer a benefit upon Lamont during a campaign. The last time BRubenstein encountered a parody written by a blogger who had assumed the identity of national politician in order to confuse and befuddle Democrats, he reported the blogger to the FBI. BRubenstein claimed that the blogger, who had assumed the pen name of Harry Reid, had confused dimwitted Democrat delegates to the party’s convention that he was in fact the national Democrat leader, thus conferring a benefit upon Sen. Joe Lieberman, whom the fake Harry was supporting.

The new Lamont ad, while a clever parody usually permitted in politics, would also needlessly confuse dimwitted Democrats in the eve of an election. One can only hope BRubenstein has not seen the parody, otherwise the villains who produced the ad that confers a benefit upon Lamont in an election period may be subject to one of his FBI complaints.